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Fun fact if you get your hand ripped off on the factory's first day it doesn't count! You get to keep the hand.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
So it's OK if the Audi factory had a bad safety record in its first year of operation, but not OK if the Tesla factory does?
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  Did I say that? That's a whole entire other sentence there. But importantly, did it? Did you look into and compare audi's first year safety record before making this suggestion?
  - belltaco 3y ago
    I think their point is that Audi's first year safety record will not be given such attention on here even if it was as bad or worse. Even the article is cashing in on Musk's controversial image. Instead of saying it's a Tesla factory they awkwardly write: > Tesla boss Elon Musk’s factory Elon only owns 13% of Tesla so that framing is quite wrong, it's not his factory, why do you think they write like that?
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    I apologize for responding to a bad faith comment with my own bad faith comment.
- croes 3y ago
  Yes. Tesla don't need to invent safety standards they only need to implement them. BTW you can't compare the first year of the Audi factory with the first year of Tesla because the Audi factory is much older and back then totally different safety standards existed.
  - bryanlarsen 3y ago
    > Tesla don't need to invent safety standards they only need to implement them. Safety standards aren't some black and white thing where you can meet them by exactly following some rules set down in a rulebook. If you know something is dangerous (or a reasonable man would have known), you can't do it, even if there isn't a specific rule against it. And often you learn things are dangerous through experience.
    - maxerickson 3y ago
      And often you learn things are dangerous through experience. Yes, this is exactly the point people are making. Tesla has had the opportunity to learn from the experiences of other manufacturers and should be applying those lessons as they begin operations.
    - croes 3y ago
      Tesla has plenty of experience or are there no safety regulations in the US and China factories. This isn't Tesla's first try so the excuse isn't valid
      - bryanlarsen 3y ago
        What's Audi's excuse? 1/3 of a large number is still a pretty big number, and they don't have the excuse of being in their first year of operation. If there are pitchforks out for Tesla there should also be pitchforks out for Audi.

So it's OK if the Audi factory had a bad safety record in its first year of operation, but not OK if the Tesla factory does?

giraffe_lady 3y ago
Did I say that? That's a whole entire other sentence there. But importantly, did it? Did you look into and compare audi's first year safety record before making this suggestion?
- belltaco 3y ago
  I think their point is that Audi's first year safety record will not be given such attention on here even if it was as bad or worse. Even the article is cashing in on Musk's controversial image. Instead of saying it's a Tesla factory they awkwardly write: > Tesla boss Elon Musk’s factory Elon only owns 13% of Tesla so that framing is quite wrong, it's not his factory, why do you think they write like that?
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  I apologize for responding to a bad faith comment with my own bad faith comment.
croes 3y ago
Yes. Tesla don't need to invent safety standards they only need to implement them. BTW you can't compare the first year of the Audi factory with the first year of Tesla because the Audi factory is much older and back then totally different safety standards existed.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  > Tesla don't need to invent safety standards they only need to implement them. Safety standards aren't some black and white thing where you can meet them by exactly following some rules set down in a rulebook. If you know something is dangerous (or a reasonable man would have known), you can't do it, even if there isn't a specific rule against it. And often you learn things are dangerous through experience.
  - maxerickson 3y ago
    And often you learn things are dangerous through experience. Yes, this is exactly the point people are making. Tesla has had the opportunity to learn from the experiences of other manufacturers and should be applying those lessons as they begin operations.
  - croes 3y ago
    Tesla has plenty of experience or are there no safety regulations in the US and China factories. This isn't Tesla's first try so the excuse isn't valid
    - bryanlarsen 3y ago
      What's Audi's excuse? 1/3 of a large number is still a pretty big number, and they don't have the excuse of being in their first year of operation. If there are pitchforks out for Tesla there should also be pitchforks out for Audi.