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Not necessarily a bad thing. There's often a strong negative correlation between incident rate and fatality rate, a pattern found across many industries (airlin

by krona 3y ago

Not necessarily a bad thing. There's often a strong negative correlation between incident rate and fatality rate, a pattern found across many industries (airline, oil and gas, manufacturing etc.) For example, are more incidents reported by British Airlines or Aeroflot? Now, which would you rather fly on?

steve1977 3y ago
I get your point, but the article also states that "documents from the rescue centers also documented that Tesla boss Elon Musk’s factory requested an ambulance or helicopter 247 times in the first year after opening alone." So this is not simply about incidents in the sense of some hickup that is worthy of reporting, but incidents where probably people gut hurt. Hence I'm not sure if the airline comparison really applies here.
- ben_w 3y ago
  247 per year isn't too surprising: assuming 5 day weeks, that's about one per day, and wikipedia says the site has 10k people, so that's better than my record of 5 hospital visits for medically significant reasons in the last 30 years. (Tripped and fell onto the ashes of a fire aged 10, knocked unconscious by a trampoline aged 11, testicular torsion in 2005, hit by an inattentive driver at low speed in the late 00s, 20mm by 1mm by 1mm gouge along a finger from opening a tin of tomatoes during lockdown being the only one on this list where I went by tram instead of ambulance). (Not that this means they're fine or there's no room for improvement; it's just that this feels like a rerun of the memes about Foxconn and suicide nets, as both completely lack a sense of scale for the workplace place and how much everywhere else also fails, and also as an attempt to demonise rather than to be the "rising tide" that is supposed to "lift all boats").
  - ben_w 3y ago
    And now I reread that list, I realise I forgot the fire incident had my mum or her friend drive me to the hospital by car, so that's 3 ambulances in 30 years for 5 relevant hospital visits.
ben_w 3y ago
In this case, Tesla-Germany-to-Audi-Germany, it would be more like an Aeroflot-to-Orenburzhie comparison, or a BA-to-easyJet comparison, in that reporting rates for any important metric should be assumed to be close enough between them to be valid.

by krona 3y ago

steve1977 3y ago

I get your point, but the article also states that "documents from the rescue centers also documented that Tesla boss Elon Musk’s factory requested an ambulance or helicopter 247 times in the first year after opening alone." So this is not simply about incidents in the sense of some hickup that is worthy of reporting, but incidents where probably people gut hurt. Hence I'm not sure if the airline comparison really applies here.

ben_w 3y ago
247 per year isn't too surprising: assuming 5 day weeks, that's about one per day, and wikipedia says the site has 10k people, so that's better than my record of 5 hospital visits for medically significant reasons in the last 30 years. (Tripped and fell onto the ashes of a fire aged 10, knocked unconscious by a trampoline aged 11, testicular torsion in 2005, hit by an inattentive driver at low speed in the late 00s, 20mm by 1mm by 1mm gouge along a finger from opening a tin of tomatoes during lockdown being the only one on this list where I went by tram instead of ambulance). (Not that this means they're fine or there's no room for improvement; it's just that this feels like a rerun of the memes about Foxconn and suicide nets, as both completely lack a sense of scale for the workplace place and how much everywhere else also fails, and also as an attempt to demonise rather than to be the "rising tide" that is supposed to "lift all boats").
- ben_w 3y ago
  And now I reread that list, I realise I forgot the fire incident had my mum or her friend drive me to the hospital by car, so that's 3 ambulances in 30 years for 5 relevant hospital visits.

ben_w 3y ago

In this case, Tesla-Germany-to-Audi-Germany, it would be more like an Aeroflot-to-Orenburzhie comparison, or a BA-to-easyJet comparison, in that reporting rates for any important metric should be assumed to be close enough between them to be valid.