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Teenager arrested: https://news.sky.com/story/sycamore-gap-iconic-tree-at-hadrians-wall-deliberately-felled-12971594 https://news.sky.com/story/sycamore-gap-ico

• toyg 3y ago
  I find it hard to believe a 16yo can fell a big chunky tree all on his own - although I guess I don't know how powerful modern chainsaws are.
  • icegreentea2 3y ago
    The height and weight distribution of late teenage males is quite smeary (https://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set2clinical/cj41c071.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set2clinical/cj41c071....). Eye-balling this, the 90th percentile 16 year old is about as tall as the 80th percentile 20 year old, and as heavy as the 75th percentile 20 year old. Conversely, the 50th percentile 20 year old corresponds to like the ~55th percentile 16 year old in height and like the 75th percentile 16 year old in weight.
    • nkurz 3y ago
      While true, this isn't the right way to analyze this. The right question is how much strength or size is necessary to operate a modern powerful chainsaw with a sharp chain. The answer is "not much". You need to be able to position a ~15 lb (7 kg) saw at waist height for a few seconds until each of three cuts is started. With a sharp saw, the forces are negligible after that for 2 of the 3 cuts required. With good technique, you can even use leverage against the trunk for the one short upward cut. There is considerable skill involved, but brute strength is not a requirement. While you are presuming a male 16-year-old here, I wouldn't be surprised if most female 14-year-olds were physically strong enough.
  • TinkersW 3y ago
    It would be easy, that tree is small compared to what I've seen the tree murderers get up to with redwoods.
• nkurz 3y ago
  What's the right punishment for a case like this? Does anyone believe that full rehabilitation is possible, and that a teenager who does this will later come to realize the error of their ways and become be a valuable contributor to society sufficient to make up for this? Or is the sole goal a punishment that will deter others from doing similar anti-social deeds?
  • coding123 3y ago
    Most likely yes - most young people do very stupid things for little other reason than lack of attention or simply anger angst the world. Growing up, people oft realize that they themselves make that worse - or just continue to blame the world for everything. Then again, some people do not gain any wisdom as they age - and live like they're 10 - forever.
    • scns 3y ago
      The brain is done with myelenization at 25. The last area to be done, the prefrontal cortex, takes care of impulse control.
  • pvaldes 3y ago
    Remove each month some amount of money from his bank, so somebody is hired to plant, watch and care for some trees in an unknown protected location. Remove resources from the offenders and nurture the healers with this resources. Repeat this procedure for the next 50 years of his life until the idea that boycotting nature for fun is not funny at all gets firmly established in their brain and he understands how much economical value has an old tree. Stop the chain of "crime school" challenges so we can protect children also. Use it as a clear warning for future criminals.
  • shapefrog 3y ago
    > What's the right punishment for a case like this? Run a chainsaw through them at the same height as they ran it through the tree - no need for further punishment.