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Yes of course it must be the worker's fault, how convenient for tesla

ReptileMan 3y ago
A human foot has no place walking above melted aluminum. Since I don't think that anyone was reckless enough to design such a route, let alone this design pass multiple sign offs, chances that someone found and used some shortcut are not small.
- sixothree 3y ago
  You're making a lot of assumptions there.
- giraffe_lady 3y ago
  Hm what sorts of incentives and constraints could lead to a worker taking dangerous shortcuts. I wonder if this has ever been an issue before I wonder if anyone has looked into how these things happen.
  - ReptileMan 3y ago
    People are good with chances up until let's say 1/100, anything lower is filed into - it will never happen in their minds. this is usually called normalization of deviance. To make things even worse - if you see someone doing something dangerous and that person knows what he is doing - you may decide to imitate without having the experience or knowledge to see the hidden safety measures that are being taken or the force majeure circumstances that made him do it. Now let's assume that you have to walk a lot into the gigafactories - not at all a small buildings. You are not employee trained or authorized to be near the hot metal, but taking some obscure path saves you 300 meters. You take it, nothing bad happens. It becomes part of your routine - until one day you slip. Not saying that this happened - just an example how people could easily put themselves into danger without realizing the magnitude of it. And throw in the mix that Tesla themselves are not paragons of do things safe, but do it fast as a corporate culture - and it trickles down to the employees.
- diogenes4 3y ago
  > I don't think that anyone was reckless enough to design such a route Why on earth would you assume that? Regardless, any safety protocol that relies solely on people not doing dumb shit is a failed safety protocol.

A human foot has no place walking above melted aluminum. Since I don't think that anyone was reckless enough to design such a route, let alone this design pass multiple sign offs, chances that someone found and used some shortcut are not small.

sixothree 3y ago
You're making a lot of assumptions there.
giraffe_lady 3y ago
Hm what sorts of incentives and constraints could lead to a worker taking dangerous shortcuts. I wonder if this has ever been an issue before I wonder if anyone has looked into how these things happen.
- ReptileMan 3y ago
  People are good with chances up until let's say 1/100, anything lower is filed into - it will never happen in their minds. this is usually called normalization of deviance. To make things even worse - if you see someone doing something dangerous and that person knows what he is doing - you may decide to imitate without having the experience or knowledge to see the hidden safety measures that are being taken or the force majeure circumstances that made him do it. Now let's assume that you have to walk a lot into the gigafactories - not at all a small buildings. You are not employee trained or authorized to be near the hot metal, but taking some obscure path saves you 300 meters. You take it, nothing bad happens. It becomes part of your routine - until one day you slip. Not saying that this happened - just an example how people could easily put themselves into danger without realizing the magnitude of it. And throw in the mix that Tesla themselves are not paragons of do things safe, but do it fast as a corporate culture - and it trickles down to the employees.
diogenes4 3y ago
> I don't think that anyone was reckless enough to design such a route Why on earth would you assume that? Regardless, any safety protocol that relies solely on people not doing dumb shit is a failed safety protocol.