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Surprised by the amount of negativity here. So many comments that are saying the raspberry pi isn't competitive in their market anymore and then post more locke

Surprised by the amount of negativity here. So many comments that are saying the raspberry pi isn't competitive in their market anymore and then post more locked down less open systems at 2x the price.

teamonkey 3y ago
Same as the people on Reddit claiming that Raspberry Pi has killed itself as a business because it's constantly in such high demand that it's always sold out.
- tedivm 3y ago
  They're claiming that they've killed themselves as a business hobbyists, which isn't exactly wrong. During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market. At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer base than they did five years ago. Also as a company their social media people really are assholes, which doesn't help at all.
  - LeafItAlone 3y ago
    > At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer base than they did five years ago. FWIW the communities I participate in are still RPI focused and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone using an odroid. > Also as a company their social media people really are assholes, which doesn't help at all. This is something I’m somehow unaware of (I avoid general social media); what do you mean?
  - justin66 3y ago
    > At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). Some small fraction of one percent of "the hobbyist community" has done as you've suggested. You're in some kind of odroid bubble.
    - Dah00n 3y ago
      So what did all those people that couldn't get a RPI do? Stop doing stuff or did they move on? I'm pretty sure the other brands saw a big uptick in sales but if you know otherwise please do share as I have no numbers to back anything up.
      - justin66 3y ago
        It's true that the last few years have been rough for new users, but if they were already "doing stuff" with a Pi, why would they need to stop? > I'm pretty sure the other brands saw a big uptick in sales They probably had massive upticks in sales, which for them might have been quite significant but relative to the total Pi user base, not at all.
    - KaiserPro 3y ago
      Yeahnah, I'm not moving to odroid, its a lot of faff and terrible support. I have a N100, and some rp2040s for GPIO. I have a project coming up that needs to drive a small screen, the raspberry pi is totally the platform I'm going for. There is no comparison for hardware and software options.
  - renewiltord 3y ago
    Are there any odroid-based PiKVM-like devices? The PiKVM device is really well built and the software is good. Easiest thing for me to LetsEncrypt too.
  - nfriedly 3y ago
    FWIW, the odroid forums have some assholes that will come out of the woodwork if you even mention a competing product. I reported one, and the mods told me that the forum was only for odroid products, so they weren't going to take any action.
  - teamonkey 3y ago
    > During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market. Which is 100% the correct thing to do. They said they were especially prioritising smaller companies that relied on Raspberry Pis, where otherwise those companies would collapse or need to lay people off, and also kept some aside for educational establishments. Sorry to say this, but your home assistant plant waterer robot dog feeder is less important, especially since hobbyists can just go to another product much easier than a small business can.
- stiltzkin 3y ago
  Redditors learning resources are clickbait headlines and bot echo chambers.
- wpm 3y ago
  New York City? Eh, nobody goes there, too much traffic.
agloe_dreams 3y ago
I mean, keep in mind that the Pi5 is a $60 device with ~$60+ of support hardware (Power supply, cable, miniHDMI to HDMI, Cooling, Case, Storage) You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable, has further software support, and includes all of what you need to get with a Pi. Also, you are reducing eWaste.
- fanf2 3y ago
  The starter kits which include all that stuff have been about 150% of the price of the bare board for older models.
  - agloe_dreams 3y ago
    So at $90, that is 270 results on ebay, many have more ram, I'm filtering on free shipping only. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sacat=0&_udhi=90&RAM%2520Size=4%2520GB%7C8%2520GB&_dcat=179&LH_ItemCondition=2010%7C2020%7C2030%7C3000%7C2000&_sop=16&LH_FS=1&rt=nc https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sa...
- jancsika 3y ago
  > You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable, has further software support, and includes all of what you need to get with a Pi. Name three, please, with emphasis on the "considerably more powerful" part.
  - agloe_dreams 3y ago
    Sure...but it might take me a while...how about this, I'll name...as of current, 385 under $100 all with free shipping: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sacat=0&_udhi=100&RAM%2520Size=4%2520GB%7C8%2520GB&_dcat=179&LH_ItemCondition=2010%7C2020%7C2030%7C3000%7C2000&_sop=16&LH_FS=1&rt=nc https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sa... The Pi5 is slower than a Core i3 6100, does not support upgradable ram, does not support Pci Gen 3 let alone Gen 3 x16, no actual Sata 6, no upgradable sockets, etc. There are a TON of uses cases for a Pi 5...but only really if power consumption and size is critical for the application. Almost anyone doing a Pihole, Home assistant, or the like is better served by a used miniPc.
justin66 3y ago
Seriously dude, why would you even want a new aarch64 SBC when you could buy a used NUC off ebay or just use a laptop you pulled out of a dumpster?
- belthesar 3y ago
  Honest answer: I want systems in my house that have a better power to work ratio than I can get from a used laptop or NUC, but can still burst to high power when needed for workloads that either have bursty compute demands, or on the rare occasion I run a consistent high-demand workload. That said, the RPi5 doesn't fit the bill for me. Since replacing an old workstation for secondary/media computer in my office, and my laptop with Apple Silicon systems, I've been incredibly pleased with the efficiency one can get from heterogeneous core layouts in traditional compute devices. Not to mention the drop in thermals in my office. The summer I swapped out that secondary/media machine for the Mac Mini, the temperature in my office dropped 5 degrees Fahrenheit, while being just as capable for the things I used that machine for. I'd like to do the same for my compute nodes in the house, which power my homelab for various workloads. Apple hardware's value retention doesn't make sense to pick up, even used, especially when I would have to trust an Asahi-flavored distro to make that work, so the platform stability isn't there. I don't need GPIO, so most SBC offerings just don't make sense. The only thing that comes close is the LattePanda Sigma, which would get me an Intel platform with efficiency cores. A SBC or even a NUC-like platform with a higher core count, at the $3-500 price point, would honestly be great! It just doesn't seem to be a market yet, and I don't imagine it will be until we see more penetration with ARM as a desktop compute platform.
  - justin66 3y ago
    I'm pretty sure I could do all that with an array of stolen business PCs, after I machined the serial numbers off. It would be cheaper for sure. Apologies if it wasn't clear, my original comment was a joke. It's becoming a pet peeve that comments about used computers, presumably from users in the third- or even the fourth-world (?) where money is really tight, dumb down just about every thread related to Raspberry Pi.
- cdt5050 3y ago
Narishma 3y ago
That's par for the course. Raspberry Pi always receives a lot of backlash here for some reason, regardless of the news.
- impalallama 3y ago
  Very interesting have a wildly popular in demand product turns people against you.
  - StillBored 3y ago
    I don't think that is it at all. Of the dozen or so friends of mine with them, only one really uses the rpi for anything "serious" after having played with it, hit some roadblock and tossed it in the drawer. Many of them have soured on it due to something not working right, spending a lot of time debugging it and being stymied by the fact that the docs need to fix some of the problems weren't open, or simply by the fact that it seems every single one is sold as "desktop class" and it turns out they are worse than 10 year old desktops for even basic things like say... playing youtube videos. So there is a lot of negativity built up around them by people who got frustrated by the previous versions.
  - Narishma 3y ago
    I feel like the negativity is coming mostly out of a very small minority that tend to gather here and to a lesser extent reddit. In other places there's much less of that.

teamonkey 3y ago

Same as the people on Reddit claiming that Raspberry Pi has killed itself as a business because it's constantly in such high demand that it's always sold out.

tedivm 3y ago
They're claiming that they've killed themselves as a business hobbyists, which isn't exactly wrong. During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market. At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer base than they did five years ago. Also as a company their social media people really are assholes, which doesn't help at all.
- LeafItAlone 3y ago
  > At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). I don't think raspberry pi is going anywhere, but they do have a very different market and customer base than they did five years ago. FWIW the communities I participate in are still RPI focused and I don’t think I’ve seen anyone using an odroid. > Also as a company their social media people really are assholes, which doesn't help at all. This is something I’m somehow unaware of (I avoid general social media); what do you mean?
- justin66 3y ago
  > At this point the hobbyist community has moved on to other things (shout out to odroids). Some small fraction of one percent of "the hobbyist community" has done as you've suggested. You're in some kind of odroid bubble.
  - Dah00n 3y ago
    So what did all those people that couldn't get a RPI do? Stop doing stuff or did they move on? I'm pretty sure the other brands saw a big uptick in sales but if you know otherwise please do share as I have no numbers to back anything up.
    - justin66 3y ago
      It's true that the last few years have been rough for new users, but if they were already "doing stuff" with a Pi, why would they need to stop? > I'm pretty sure the other brands saw a big uptick in sales They probably had massive upticks in sales, which for them might have been quite significant but relative to the total Pi user base, not at all.
  - KaiserPro 3y ago
    Yeahnah, I'm not moving to odroid, its a lot of faff and terrible support. I have a N100, and some rp2040s for GPIO. I have a project coming up that needs to drive a small screen, the raspberry pi is totally the platform I'm going for. There is no comparison for hardware and software options.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  Are there any odroid-based PiKVM-like devices? The PiKVM device is really well built and the software is good. Easiest thing for me to LetsEncrypt too.
- nfriedly 3y ago
  FWIW, the odroid forums have some assholes that will come out of the woodwork if you even mention a competing product. I reported one, and the mods told me that the forum was only for odroid products, so they weren't going to take any action.
- teamonkey 3y ago
  > During their supply chain issues they made it clear they were prioritizing their commercial customers over the hobbyist market. Which is 100% the correct thing to do. They said they were especially prioritising smaller companies that relied on Raspberry Pis, where otherwise those companies would collapse or need to lay people off, and also kept some aside for educational establishments. Sorry to say this, but your home assistant plant waterer robot dog feeder is less important, especially since hobbyists can just go to another product much easier than a small business can.
stiltzkin 3y ago
Redditors learning resources are clickbait headlines and bot echo chambers.
wpm 3y ago
New York City? Eh, nobody goes there, too much traffic.

agloe_dreams 3y ago

I mean, keep in mind that the Pi5 is a $60 device with ~$60+ of support hardware (Power supply, cable, miniHDMI to HDMI, Cooling, Case, Storage) You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable, has further software support, and includes all of what you need to get with a Pi. Also, you are reducing eWaste.

fanf2 3y ago
The starter kits which include all that stuff have been about 150% of the price of the bare board for older models.
- agloe_dreams 3y ago
  So at $90, that is 270 results on ebay, many have more ram, I'm filtering on free shipping only. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sacat=0&_udhi=90&RAM%2520Size=4%2520GB%7C8%2520GB&_dcat=179&LH_ItemCondition=2010%7C2020%7C2030%7C3000%7C2000&_sop=16&LH_FS=1&rt=nc https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sa...
jancsika 3y ago
> You can get considerably more powerful mini PCs for less than a 4GB Pi5 with needed accessories that is upgradable, has further software support, and includes all of what you need to get with a Pi. Name three, please, with emphasis on the "considerably more powerful" part.
- agloe_dreams 3y ago
  Sure...but it might take me a while...how about this, I'll name...as of current, 385 under $100 all with free shipping: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sacat=0&_udhi=100&RAM%2520Size=4%2520GB%7C8%2520GB&_dcat=179&LH_ItemCondition=2010%7C2020%7C2030%7C3000%7C2000&_sop=16&LH_FS=1&rt=nc https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=mini%20pc&_sa... The Pi5 is slower than a Core i3 6100, does not support upgradable ram, does not support Pci Gen 3 let alone Gen 3 x16, no actual Sata 6, no upgradable sockets, etc. There are a TON of uses cases for a Pi 5...but only really if power consumption and size is critical for the application. Almost anyone doing a Pihole, Home assistant, or the like is better served by a used miniPc.

justin66 3y ago

Seriously dude, why would you even want a new aarch64 SBC when you could buy a used NUC off ebay or just use a laptop you pulled out of a dumpster?

belthesar 3y ago
Honest answer: I want systems in my house that have a better power to work ratio than I can get from a used laptop or NUC, but can still burst to high power when needed for workloads that either have bursty compute demands, or on the rare occasion I run a consistent high-demand workload. That said, the RPi5 doesn't fit the bill for me. Since replacing an old workstation for secondary/media computer in my office, and my laptop with Apple Silicon systems, I've been incredibly pleased with the efficiency one can get from heterogeneous core layouts in traditional compute devices. Not to mention the drop in thermals in my office. The summer I swapped out that secondary/media machine for the Mac Mini, the temperature in my office dropped 5 degrees Fahrenheit, while being just as capable for the things I used that machine for. I'd like to do the same for my compute nodes in the house, which power my homelab for various workloads. Apple hardware's value retention doesn't make sense to pick up, even used, especially when I would have to trust an Asahi-flavored distro to make that work, so the platform stability isn't there. I don't need GPIO, so most SBC offerings just don't make sense. The only thing that comes close is the LattePanda Sigma, which would get me an Intel platform with efficiency cores. A SBC or even a NUC-like platform with a higher core count, at the $3-500 price point, would honestly be great! It just doesn't seem to be a market yet, and I don't imagine it will be until we see more penetration with ARM as a desktop compute platform.
- justin66 3y ago
  I'm pretty sure I could do all that with an array of stolen business PCs, after I machined the serial numbers off. It would be cheaper for sure. Apologies if it wasn't clear, my original comment was a joke. It's becoming a pet peeve that comments about used computers, presumably from users in the third- or even the fourth-world (?) where money is really tight, dumb down just about every thread related to Raspberry Pi.
cdt5050 3y ago

Narishma 3y ago

That's par for the course. Raspberry Pi always receives a lot of backlash here for some reason, regardless of the news.

impalallama 3y ago
Very interesting have a wildly popular in demand product turns people against you.
- StillBored 3y ago
  I don't think that is it at all. Of the dozen or so friends of mine with them, only one really uses the rpi for anything "serious" after having played with it, hit some roadblock and tossed it in the drawer. Many of them have soured on it due to something not working right, spending a lot of time debugging it and being stymied by the fact that the docs need to fix some of the problems weren't open, or simply by the fact that it seems every single one is sold as "desktop class" and it turns out they are worse than 10 year old desktops for even basic things like say... playing youtube videos. So there is a lot of negativity built up around them by people who got frustrated by the previous versions.
- Narishma 3y ago
  I feel like the negativity is coming mostly out of a very small minority that tend to gather here and to a lesser extent reddit. In other places there's much less of that.