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Yes, actual issues of abuse against the actors, not pearl clutching about "objectification". I'll bet most of this verbal and physical "violence" they mention i

Yes, actual issues of abuse against the actors, not pearl clutching about "objectification". I'll bet most of this verbal and physical "violence" they mention is fairly vanilla rough sex, a harmless thing that a massive amount of the population already do in their own beds (often at the request of a woman). Yes, that even includes consensual non-consensual role play, which is a surprisingly common fantasy (and again, harmless, and again, often coming from women) And that's not even getting into "proper" BDSM, which is subject to monthly "think of the women!" outrage; always by people who've no interest in hearing from the actual women involved I'm quite certain the people performing this "study" had already made up their minds before loading the first video

AlecSchueler 3y ago
> I'll bet most of this verbal and physical "violence" they mention is fairly vanilla rough sex It sounds like you've also made up your mind before reading it. How about taking a look and making some counter arguments to their findings so that people who disagree can argue on that basis rather than the basis of your speculation?
- didntcheck 3y ago
  Yes I have read the journal article, and while their table for physical violence (as one example) does contain words like "kidnap", it also contains "pound" and "spank". Even for the "genuine" cases, I still maintain that the taboo fantasies of adults are not worth clutching pearls over. Just like with every moral panic about evil corrupting media throughout history
  - AlecSchueler 3y ago
    > not worth clutching pearls over Are we clutching pearls? 90% of the popular porn videos show taboo fantasies centered around--at the very least--spanking women. Is that not interesting? We don't need to clutch our pearls to make note of that and to discuss what it means. Pornography is very taboo as you've alluded to, but HN is for me a place where we can discuss anything that we find intellectually stimulating. I find it very interesting for sure that depictions human sexuality is apparently almost always in some small way also depicting violence against women. I find it disappointing that so many here want to write off the simple mention of that fact as "moral panic" and discuss it no further. > Even for the "genuine" cases What do you mean be genuine cases?

AlecSchueler 3y ago

> I'll bet most of this verbal and physical "violence" they mention is fairly vanilla rough sex It sounds like you've also made up your mind before reading it. How about taking a look and making some counter arguments to their findings so that people who disagree can argue on that basis rather than the basis of your speculation?

didntcheck 3y ago
Yes I have read the journal article, and while their table for physical violence (as one example) does contain words like "kidnap", it also contains "pound" and "spank". Even for the "genuine" cases, I still maintain that the taboo fantasies of adults are not worth clutching pearls over. Just like with every moral panic about evil corrupting media throughout history
- AlecSchueler 3y ago
  > not worth clutching pearls over Are we clutching pearls? 90% of the popular porn videos show taboo fantasies centered around--at the very least--spanking women. Is that not interesting? We don't need to clutch our pearls to make note of that and to discuss what it means. Pornography is very taboo as you've alluded to, but HN is for me a place where we can discuss anything that we find intellectually stimulating. I find it very interesting for sure that depictions human sexuality is apparently almost always in some small way also depicting violence against women. I find it disappointing that so many here want to write off the simple mention of that fact as "moral panic" and discuss it no further. > Even for the "genuine" cases What do you mean be genuine cases?