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Is this sarcasm? Twitter has been less stable and has been making more dumb choices since Elon took over, and they've lost at least half of their revenue so far

Is this sarcasm? Twitter has been less stable and has been making more dumb choices since Elon took over, and they've lost at least half of their revenue so far. They've lost literal billions.

junofan 3y ago
I don’t think that’s fair. Twitter was already operating at a loss and wasn’t going to win at performance advertising. A change in business strategy to something like payments seems reasonable for the long term.
ActorNightly 3y ago
Lets call it what it is without any bias. Twitter lost advertising because its a bad outlook, not because of technical issues. Twitter still works. Sure, it has issues, but still works. It definitely was a bloated company, and if Elon could keep his autism under reigns, he could have came out with reducing the company, keeping the same advertising income, and being more cash positive.
- wolverine876 3y ago
  > if Elon could keep his autism under reigns, he could have came out with reducing the company, keeping the same advertising income, and being more cash positive That's all your imagination - we can make and support any claim that way. The actual facts we have point the other way. Let's stop making Musk look like a victim. Nobody blames autism when Tesla's sales increase.
  - ActorNightly 3y ago
    Don't let your hate boner for Musk replace your brain. Nothing in your post addresses what I said. I never mentioned Musk is a victim.
- epups 3y ago
  It is very possible, in fact likely, that gutting a ton of people directly involved in ad-related work - sales, press management, content monitoring, etc - had a negative impact on advertising revenue.
  - ActorNightly 3y ago
    Yes, but that doesn't preclude the fact that Twitter had 7500 employees prior to layoffs, without anything really to show for it. He could have still trimmed a lot, while keeping the relevant people in place.
    - epups 3y ago
      > Yes, but that doesn't preclude the fact that Twitter had 7500 employees prior to layoffs, without anything really to show for it. Well, they had 3x or 4x more income and market value than Twitter with fewer employees. That's quite a lot to show for it.
      - ActorNightly 3y ago
        And all of that wasnt due to extra engineers and personnel, it was due to the audience on the core product that had no real new features.
talldatethrow 3y ago
Losing half the revenue has little to do with the headcount required to run twitter as a tech product. A massive social campaign was ran to make twitter seem like a hateful place which advertisers should stay away from. If that hasn't happened, for the most part twitter runs just as well as it did prior.
- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-s... https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2022/12/19/conspiracy-theorists-homophobes-neo-nazis-ten-accounts-that-embody-twitter-s-change-under-elon-musk_6008352_8.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2022/12/19/c... https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-technology-donald-trump-business-misinformation-c60bc41229339eaec5008188fa6d057c https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-technology-donald-trump...
  - talldatethrow 3y ago
    What am I supposed to infer from your links other than the exact targeted media smear campaign that I mentioned in my own post?
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      Is it really a "targeted smear campaign" if they're reporting facts of twitter allowing more far right wing extremism?

Is this sarcasm? Twitter has been less stable and has been making more dumb choices since Elon took over, and they've lost at least half of their revenue so far. They've lost literal billions.

junofan 3y ago

I don’t think that’s fair. Twitter was already operating at a loss and wasn’t going to win at performance advertising. A change in business strategy to something like payments seems reasonable for the long term.

ActorNightly 3y ago

Lets call it what it is without any bias. Twitter lost advertising because its a bad outlook, not because of technical issues. Twitter still works. Sure, it has issues, but still works. It definitely was a bloated company, and if Elon could keep his autism under reigns, he could have came out with reducing the company, keeping the same advertising income, and being more cash positive.

wolverine876 3y ago
> if Elon could keep his autism under reigns, he could have came out with reducing the company, keeping the same advertising income, and being more cash positive That's all your imagination - we can make and support any claim that way. The actual facts we have point the other way. Let's stop making Musk look like a victim. Nobody blames autism when Tesla's sales increase.
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  Don't let your hate boner for Musk replace your brain. Nothing in your post addresses what I said. I never mentioned Musk is a victim.
epups 3y ago
It is very possible, in fact likely, that gutting a ton of people directly involved in ad-related work - sales, press management, content monitoring, etc - had a negative impact on advertising revenue.
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  Yes, but that doesn't preclude the fact that Twitter had 7500 employees prior to layoffs, without anything really to show for it. He could have still trimmed a lot, while keeping the relevant people in place.
  - epups 3y ago
    > Yes, but that doesn't preclude the fact that Twitter had 7500 employees prior to layoffs, without anything really to show for it. Well, they had 3x or 4x more income and market value than Twitter with fewer employees. That's quite a lot to show for it.
    - ActorNightly 3y ago
      And all of that wasnt due to extra engineers and personnel, it was due to the audience on the core product that had no real new features.

talldatethrow 3y ago

Losing half the revenue has little to do with the headcount required to run twitter as a tech product. A massive social campaign was ran to make twitter seem like a hateful place which advertisers should stay away from. If that hasn't happened, for the most part twitter runs just as well as it did prior.

CyberDildonics 3y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-speech.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-s... https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2022/12/19/conspiracy-theorists-homophobes-neo-nazis-ten-accounts-that-embody-twitter-s-change-under-elon-musk_6008352_8.html https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2022/12/19/c... https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-technology-donald-trump-business-misinformation-c60bc41229339eaec5008188fa6d057c https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-technology-donald-trump...
- talldatethrow 3y ago
  What am I supposed to infer from your links other than the exact targeted media smear campaign that I mentioned in my own post?
  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    Is it really a "targeted smear campaign" if they're reporting facts of twitter allowing more far right wing extremism?