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I don't want to necessarily disable it. What I do want is to be able to click "yes yes, I don't care this time / ever for this binary, fuck off." I don't even m

I don't want to necessarily disable it. What I do want is to be able to click "yes yes, I don't care this time / ever for this binary, fuck off." I don't even mind if you make me fingerprint auth for it. What drives me insane: the inconsistent/invisible functionality around this stuff. In Ventura, if you double-click an unsigned app, it won't run, with a big scary message that it cannot be verified. ...except if you right-click and select "open", you can now click on a button that lets you run the app anyway. This is not remotely obvious or even indicated in any way. There's nothing that explains this to the user, nada. It just behaves differently if you select "open" instead of double-clicking. How on earth that compliant with Apple's human interface guidelines?

userbinator 3y ago
This is not remotely obvious Apple stopped emphasising discoverability a long time ago.
- fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
  Making the option that bypasses the security measures less obvious is a feature. This is a case of assuming that developers are Apple’s model user when it’s non-developers who are likely to install “Macsweeper” because a popup ad told them they had a virus.
  - fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
    Additionally, discoverability is relative to experience: I’m a developer and, as such, I can be assumed to know about right-click menus. So putting something there that’s more intended for me _is_ designing a discoverable user interface.
    - pxc 3y ago
      That you can right-click is not surprising. That's not the major thing to be discovered. The major thing to be discovered is that the behavior, which intuitively, should be identical, is silently different.
- pxc 3y ago
  That feels like such an understatement to me. macOS seems almost uniquely undiscoverable in my experience. But this makes me curious! What versions of Mac OS nailed discoverability and how? I'd love to look at old videos and/or emulate hardware for them and play around.
  - hedora 3y ago
    OS 9 and before emphasized discoverability: https://i.stack.imgur.com/bdY7i.jpg https://i.stack.imgur.com/bdY7i.jpg Sometime at or after OS X, the industry pivoted to surprise and delight instead, and so did Apple. (Not sure who pioneered it.) This feeds in well with the whole "cult of apple" thing, since to use the laptop / phone, you have to get other users to show you cool non-discoverable tricks. Take this article explaining basic functionality in Finder for example: https://www.lifewire.com/use-mac-finder-2260739 https://www.lifewire.com/use-mac-finder-2260739 I've been using OS X for about 10 years, and didn't know half that stuff. Instead, I know just enough Mac OS CLI to know to avoid macports and brew, and to instead use a hypervisor or ssh to a machine with a reasonable filesystem layout. Here's an article plugging surprise and delight. I'm not a fan, so I'm not going to try to enumerate its purported advantages: https://medium.com/@davidporretta/surprise-and-delight-in-ux-design-31b3675bbf1c https://medium.com/@davidporretta/surprise-and-delight-in-ux... (Begrudgingly sent from an apple device.)
    - pxc 3y ago
      This is a great reply! Thanks so much. :)

userbinator 3y ago

This is not remotely obvious Apple stopped emphasising discoverability a long time ago.

fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
Making the option that bypasses the security measures less obvious is a feature. This is a case of assuming that developers are Apple’s model user when it’s non-developers who are likely to install “Macsweeper” because a popup ad told them they had a virus.
- fiddlerwoaroof 3y ago
  Additionally, discoverability is relative to experience: I’m a developer and, as such, I can be assumed to know about right-click menus. So putting something there that’s more intended for me _is_ designing a discoverable user interface.
  - pxc 3y ago
    That you can right-click is not surprising. That's not the major thing to be discovered. The major thing to be discovered is that the behavior, which intuitively, should be identical, is silently different.
pxc 3y ago
That feels like such an understatement to me. macOS seems almost uniquely undiscoverable in my experience. But this makes me curious! What versions of Mac OS nailed discoverability and how? I'd love to look at old videos and/or emulate hardware for them and play around.
- hedora 3y ago
  OS 9 and before emphasized discoverability: https://i.stack.imgur.com/bdY7i.jpg https://i.stack.imgur.com/bdY7i.jpg Sometime at or after OS X, the industry pivoted to surprise and delight instead, and so did Apple. (Not sure who pioneered it.) This feeds in well with the whole "cult of apple" thing, since to use the laptop / phone, you have to get other users to show you cool non-discoverable tricks. Take this article explaining basic functionality in Finder for example: https://www.lifewire.com/use-mac-finder-2260739 https://www.lifewire.com/use-mac-finder-2260739 I've been using OS X for about 10 years, and didn't know half that stuff. Instead, I know just enough Mac OS CLI to know to avoid macports and brew, and to instead use a hypervisor or ssh to a machine with a reasonable filesystem layout. Here's an article plugging surprise and delight. I'm not a fan, so I'm not going to try to enumerate its purported advantages: https://medium.com/@davidporretta/surprise-and-delight-in-ux-design-31b3675bbf1c https://medium.com/@davidporretta/surprise-and-delight-in-ux... (Begrudgingly sent from an apple device.)
  - pxc 3y ago
    This is a great reply! Thanks so much. :)