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It would be nice if Bitwig would support existing plug-ins formats like AU.

by dmicah 3y ago

sctb 3y ago
Do you encounter many AU-only plugins? From what I can tell, the limitations of VST/AU/AAX are more pressing and Bitwig are working to address that with CLAP: https://u-he.com/community/clap https://u-he.com/community/clap.
- unshavedyak 3y ago
  Man i hope more people (plugin developers too) embrace CLAP or something open. I'm writing a Rust program and i really want to allow for Modart's Pianoteq plugin and VST just makes it feel so difficult.
- dmicah 3y ago
  There have always been plug-ins, especially by small developers on the Mac, which are AU only. Apple Silicon macs can now run iOS / iPadOS AUs as well, so there are a ton of plugins from that world that are not available as VSTs. Apple Logic can't load VSTs, so typically on the Mac it makes sense to just have AUs. Ableton Live on the Mac can load VSTs or AU, but there isn't really a reason to keep the VSTs around.
duped 3y ago
Fewer hosts should use AU
teilo 3y ago
Why would they want to support AU? The only reason to use AU is Logic. Everything else (Protools excepted) supports VST, and all the plugin devs release in VST and AU, so it would be a waste of time. Bitwig is putting their time into CLAP, and for good reason. It's cross-platform, much easier to develop against, and much more advanced that all the alternatives. Even Avid has shown interest in CLAP. So has Image Line. I expect Studio One to support it in v7.
- jonpalmisc 3y ago
  For starters, AUs are "easier" to run under Roestta than VSTs since AUs run out-of-process by default. This means you can use a x86_64 AU without running the entire DAW under Rosetta on Apple Silicon.
  - tomduncalf 3y ago
    It hadn’t occurred to me that AU run out of process, but this makes sense. Does this mean an AU crashing in theory won’t take down your DAW? (The same thing that Bitwig has it’s own isolation feature for) I always default to AU just because I’m on a Mac and I arbitrarily decided to do so long ago. The Rosetta thing has been a nice bonus. Not sure what the other (dis)advantages are, these days I try to focus on using native Ableton and M4L stuff anyway!
    - jonpalmisc 3y ago
      > Does this mean an AU crashing in theory won’t take down your DAW? Yes, this has been my experience with AUs in Logic Pro, at least. You simply get a message saying a plugin failed and that you can try reloading it if you'd like.
      - teilo 3y ago
        In other words, just like VSTs on Bitwig. Even if the entire audio engine crashes, you just restart it with a click.
  - yungporko 3y ago
    bitwig already does this with vsts because plugins are sandboxed
odiroot 3y ago
Or LADSPA/LV2 which is actually free.

It would be nice if Bitwig would support existing plug-ins formats like AU.

by dmicah 3y ago

It would be nice if Bitwig would support existing plug-ins formats like AU.

sctb 3y ago

Do you encounter many AU-only plugins? From what I can tell, the limitations of VST/AU/AAX are more pressing and Bitwig are working to address that with CLAP: https://u-he.com/community/clap https://u-he.com/community/clap.

unshavedyak 3y ago
Man i hope more people (plugin developers too) embrace CLAP or something open. I'm writing a Rust program and i really want to allow for Modart's Pianoteq plugin and VST just makes it feel so difficult.
dmicah 3y ago
There have always been plug-ins, especially by small developers on the Mac, which are AU only. Apple Silicon macs can now run iOS / iPadOS AUs as well, so there are a ton of plugins from that world that are not available as VSTs. Apple Logic can't load VSTs, so typically on the Mac it makes sense to just have AUs. Ableton Live on the Mac can load VSTs or AU, but there isn't really a reason to keep the VSTs around.

duped 3y ago

Fewer hosts should use AU

teilo 3y ago

Why would they want to support AU? The only reason to use AU is Logic. Everything else (Protools excepted) supports VST, and all the plugin devs release in VST and AU, so it would be a waste of time. Bitwig is putting their time into CLAP, and for good reason. It's cross-platform, much easier to develop against, and much more advanced that all the alternatives. Even Avid has shown interest in CLAP. So has Image Line. I expect Studio One to support it in v7.

jonpalmisc 3y ago
For starters, AUs are "easier" to run under Roestta than VSTs since AUs run out-of-process by default. This means you can use a x86_64 AU without running the entire DAW under Rosetta on Apple Silicon.
- tomduncalf 3y ago
  It hadn’t occurred to me that AU run out of process, but this makes sense. Does this mean an AU crashing in theory won’t take down your DAW? (The same thing that Bitwig has it’s own isolation feature for) I always default to AU just because I’m on a Mac and I arbitrarily decided to do so long ago. The Rosetta thing has been a nice bonus. Not sure what the other (dis)advantages are, these days I try to focus on using native Ableton and M4L stuff anyway!
  - jonpalmisc 3y ago
    > Does this mean an AU crashing in theory won’t take down your DAW? Yes, this has been my experience with AUs in Logic Pro, at least. You simply get a message saying a plugin failed and that you can try reloading it if you'd like.
    - teilo 3y ago
      In other words, just like VSTs on Bitwig. Even if the entire audio engine crashes, you just restart it with a click.
- yungporko 3y ago
  bitwig already does this with vsts because plugins are sandboxed

odiroot 3y ago

Or LADSPA/LV2 which is actually free.