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I mean not really surprising. The future programming paradigm is writing high level descriptions of stuff, letting the generative AI write the code for you, and

I mean not really surprising. The future programming paradigm is writing high level descriptions of stuff, letting the generative AI write the code for you, and then finetuning it.

SirMaster 3y ago
Should AI really be writing code that was made for writing by humans? Seems inefficient. Shouldn't the AI just be generating machine code for the computer to run?
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  The issue though is that while LLMs are good at translation, they aren't good at correctness, because by definition the stuff they generate is somewhat stochastic (they have several answers to a problem with different rating on each one being correct). For generating machine code, there needs to be one output that is the correct answer. Its much easier in the short term to generate larger snippets of Python code based on prompts and let the programmer fine tune it
dclowd9901 3y ago
Bleak.
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  Not really. If you code in Python or Node, you are already relying on a bunch of computer algorithms to optimize your code.
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- Someone1234 3y ago
  That outlook depends what you think programmers do... Is it the act of writing code or is it creating things? I often wonder this when the threads discussing raw typing speed come up, or the "extra typing" involved in optional curly braces. Even today, without LLMs, only 20% or less of my work is writing actual code. Requirements/research, designing, optimizing, testing, etc make up the lion's share. So you take out that 20%, I'll be more productive, but my work doesn't change.
  - dclowd9901 3y ago
    My favorite part of my job is solving the problems around implementing an idea. Ideas are easy; problem solving is not easy, and as such I find the challenge fun. So yeah, bleak.
- huytersd 3y ago
  From a jobs perspective. Awesome and amazing otherwise.
- astrange 3y ago
  It's fine. That's how C compilers looked in 1972 too. You can't get out of having to think about things.
tmountain 3y ago
This sidesteps the importance of a coherent data model that someone can be held responsible for. I find it hard to imagine corporations being okay with GPT being the responsible party when the question of “who owns the database” comes up. Then again, maybe I’m just old…
- HPsquared 3y ago
  If it can help with coding, it can also help with modeling.
  - hackernewds 3y ago
    Disagree for now, but I've been surprised quite a bit this year.
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  Do you ask "who owns the machine code" when your compiler, written by someone else, decides that your code can be simplified?
huytersd 3y ago
That’s not the future. That’s just now. The future is chatgpt suggesting a solution to a problem people haven’t foreseen and then building and deploying the project and making money for itself/its hoster.
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  I used to be on the "AGI is around the corner" train, but then I learned about the concept of irreducible computation, and now I can safely say that we are far away from the scenario that you describe, and AGI is most certainly not going to happen.
ASalazarMX 3y ago
User: Make me a secure Amazon store clone, improve the UI/UX in a way that is similar, but not blatantly ripped off. Write unit tests, and iterate until it works perfectly. Show me a slideshow of the result tomorrow at 10 am. Computer: I understand. OpenAI requires you to provide a $10,000 advance on this task, and $10,000 more when it's ready. Do you agree? User: Compared to the money I will make, this is peanuts. I agree. Computer: Alright, your account was charged. I am also legally required to notify Amazon Hive of every group of users that try to clone their store each day. Don't worry, their legal subAI only sues 0.3% of the time. Have a good afternoon!
jumpCastle 3y ago
The future is the AI also writes the high level descriptions of stuff.

I mean not really surprising. The future programming paradigm is writing high level descriptions of stuff, letting the generative AI write the code for you, and then finetuning it.

SirMaster 3y ago

Should AI really be writing code that was made for writing by humans? Seems inefficient. Shouldn't the AI just be generating machine code for the computer to run?

ActorNightly 3y ago
The issue though is that while LLMs are good at translation, they aren't good at correctness, because by definition the stuff they generate is somewhat stochastic (they have several answers to a problem with different rating on each one being correct). For generating machine code, there needs to be one output that is the correct answer. Its much easier in the short term to generate larger snippets of Python code based on prompts and let the programmer fine tune it

dclowd9901 3y ago

Bleak.

ActorNightly 3y ago
Not really. If you code in Python or Node, you are already relying on a bunch of computer algorithms to optimize your code.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
Someone1234 3y ago
That outlook depends what you think programmers do... Is it the act of writing code or is it creating things? I often wonder this when the threads discussing raw typing speed come up, or the "extra typing" involved in optional curly braces. Even today, without LLMs, only 20% or less of my work is writing actual code. Requirements/research, designing, optimizing, testing, etc make up the lion's share. So you take out that 20%, I'll be more productive, but my work doesn't change.
- dclowd9901 3y ago
  My favorite part of my job is solving the problems around implementing an idea. Ideas are easy; problem solving is not easy, and as such I find the challenge fun. So yeah, bleak.
huytersd 3y ago
From a jobs perspective. Awesome and amazing otherwise.
astrange 3y ago
It's fine. That's how C compilers looked in 1972 too. You can't get out of having to think about things.

tmountain 3y ago

This sidesteps the importance of a coherent data model that someone can be held responsible for. I find it hard to imagine corporations being okay with GPT being the responsible party when the question of “who owns the database” comes up. Then again, maybe I’m just old…

HPsquared 3y ago
If it can help with coding, it can also help with modeling.
- hackernewds 3y ago
  Disagree for now, but I've been surprised quite a bit this year.
ActorNightly 3y ago
Do you ask "who owns the machine code" when your compiler, written by someone else, decides that your code can be simplified?

huytersd 3y ago

That’s not the future. That’s just now. The future is chatgpt suggesting a solution to a problem people haven’t foreseen and then building and deploying the project and making money for itself/its hoster.

ActorNightly 3y ago
I used to be on the "AGI is around the corner" train, but then I learned about the concept of irreducible computation, and now I can safely say that we are far away from the scenario that you describe, and AGI is most certainly not going to happen.

ASalazarMX 3y ago

User: Make me a secure Amazon store clone, improve the UI/UX in a way that is similar, but not blatantly ripped off. Write unit tests, and iterate until it works perfectly. Show me a slideshow of the result tomorrow at 10 am. Computer: I understand. OpenAI requires you to provide a $10,000 advance on this task, and $10,000 more when it's ready. Do you agree? User: Compared to the money I will make, this is peanuts. I agree. Computer: Alright, your account was charged. I am also legally required to notify Amazon Hive of every group of users that try to clone their store each day. Don't worry, their legal subAI only sues 0.3% of the time. Have a good afternoon!

jumpCastle 3y ago

The future is the AI also writes the high level descriptions of stuff.