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> If the deadly compounds are not approved for medical usage anywhere in the world, they should simply be treated as chemical weapons. Even if you want to quibb

> If the deadly compounds are not approved for medical usage anywhere in the world, they should simply be treated as chemical weapons. Even if you want to quibble about the intent of the dealers, something this lethal could be easily weaponized to kill hundreds with nothing more than a battery powered fan. You're proposing escalating the drug war to literally unprecedented levels (treating drug users[0] as actual agents of war), in response to a completely nonsense fear (the idea that a "battery-powered fan" would be a viable route of administration). The idea that fentanyl is toxic to the touch or aerosolized is pure police propaganda, contradicted resoundingly not only by all medical experts, but also by common sense (fentanyl is routinely handled in much larger quantities by nurses every day). The same applies to these other drugs - they're dangerous if ingested, but you're not going to be accidentally ingesting them, unless you're ingesting drugs obtained from pharmaceutical sources. [0] No matter how you try to frame this as something that would only be leveraged against "traffickers", drug users will inevitably be the primary targets of any such law.

analyte123 3y ago
Aerosolized fentanyl is literally produced for administration as a painkiller [1]. And there is also the Russian theater incident. Nurses handle prediluted solutions (at the level of 50mcg/ml). That is still very strong but not the same as unknown quantities of unknown potency being secretly shipped around and mixed up by untrained dealers. Currently, all the time, people mix up drugs with synthetics that they know can kill and sell it to unsuspecting people, who then die by the dozens. Some states already treat this as poisoning and manslaughter. Is this really that different from the scenario I’m describing? [1] https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a612015.html https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a612015.html
- chimeracoder 3y ago
  > Aerosolized fentanyl is literally produced for administration as a painkiller There are literally orders of magnitude of difference between fentanyl administered as a nasal spray and fentanyl being used as a weapon. They're not remotely comparable. > And there is also the Russian theater incident. I don't know why people keep bringing this up. There is zero evidence that fentanyl or its derivatives were responsible for any deaths. The claim that fentanyl was responsible is based on a single study which claimed to find fentanyl on one sample of clothing and in the urine of two survivors, something which has a lot more plausible explanations.

analyte123 3y ago

Aerosolized fentanyl is literally produced for administration as a painkiller [1]. And there is also the Russian theater incident. Nurses handle prediluted solutions (at the level of 50mcg/ml). That is still very strong but not the same as unknown quantities of unknown potency being secretly shipped around and mixed up by untrained dealers. Currently, all the time, people mix up drugs with synthetics that they know can kill and sell it to unsuspecting people, who then die by the dozens. Some states already treat this as poisoning and manslaughter. Is this really that different from the scenario I’m describing? [1] https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a612015.html https://medlineplus.gov/druginfo/meds/a612015.html

chimeracoder 3y ago
> Aerosolized fentanyl is literally produced for administration as a painkiller There are literally orders of magnitude of difference between fentanyl administered as a nasal spray and fentanyl being used as a weapon. They're not remotely comparable. > And there is also the Russian theater incident. I don't know why people keep bringing this up. There is zero evidence that fentanyl or its derivatives were responsible for any deaths. The claim that fentanyl was responsible is based on a single study which claimed to find fentanyl on one sample of clothing and in the urine of two survivors, something which has a lot more plausible explanations.