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Yes but if we had the ability to download a gun from the internet anonymously with no way to feasibly get the identity of the person downloading the gun I think

Yes but if we had the ability to download a gun from the internet anonymously with no way to feasibly get the identity of the person downloading the gun I think we would be right to be concerned. Especially if you could then shoot that gun at someone anonymously.

pk-protect-ai 3y ago
>> Yes but if we had the ability to download a gun from the internet anonymously with no way to feasibly get the identity of the person downloading But you can. There are blueprints for 3D printers circulating for a decade now ...
- adroniser 3y ago
  And many countries ban the possession or distribution of those blueprints and the united states had a ban on re-publication of those 3d designs from 2018 until trump reversed it, and even now it requires a license to post blueprints online. And you failed to respond to the argument that you can anonymously post deepfakes with no way of tracing it back to you, and so it becomes impossible to enforce. You can't shoot someone with a guarantee that there will be no trace with a 3d printed gun. Nevermind the fact that it's not even clear it should be a crime in some cases. Should ai production of a ed milliband sandwich style photo be banned? And should replying to a user with personalized responses based on the data you've collected about them based on their facebook likes with LLMs be illegal? I don't think so, but doing it on a mass scale sounds pretty scary.
  - pk-protect-ai 3y ago
    >> And you failed to respond to the argument that you can anonymously post deepfakes You can't post them anonymously; even Tor can't give you a 100% guarantee. Not for a very long time, and not if the law after you. If the AGI is on the side of law enforcement, especially. Law enforcement will become more expensive. It's just a different scale of warfare. Nothing really changes except the amount, speed, and frequency of the casualties. And any argument you make is absolutely applicable to each corporation right now. Do you prefer the dystopian dictatorship of the corps or the balance of powers?
    - adroniser 3y ago
      I don't like where we are headed at all. I acknowledge we face two dystopian options which is either contribute power in the hands of a few corporations who hopefully you can regulate, or have open source models which ends up delivering significant power to people who cannot be effectively controlled. An AGI law enforcement? How dystopian can you get.
      - pk-protect-ai 3y ago
        How can you believe that it will be enough to regulate them? Here is the problem: "a few corporations whom you hopefully can regulate." When they have the power of an AGI with high intelligence and access to all available information on their side, there is no scenario where you would control them. They would control you. >> How dystopian can you get. Oh I have very good imagination ... But I'm stupid and I have hope ...

pk-protect-ai 3y ago

>> Yes but if we had the ability to download a gun from the internet anonymously with no way to feasibly get the identity of the person downloading But you can. There are blueprints for 3D printers circulating for a decade now ...

adroniser 3y ago
And many countries ban the possession or distribution of those blueprints and the united states had a ban on re-publication of those 3d designs from 2018 until trump reversed it, and even now it requires a license to post blueprints online. And you failed to respond to the argument that you can anonymously post deepfakes with no way of tracing it back to you, and so it becomes impossible to enforce. You can't shoot someone with a guarantee that there will be no trace with a 3d printed gun. Nevermind the fact that it's not even clear it should be a crime in some cases. Should ai production of a ed milliband sandwich style photo be banned? And should replying to a user with personalized responses based on the data you've collected about them based on their facebook likes with LLMs be illegal? I don't think so, but doing it on a mass scale sounds pretty scary.
- pk-protect-ai 3y ago
  >> And you failed to respond to the argument that you can anonymously post deepfakes You can't post them anonymously; even Tor can't give you a 100% guarantee. Not for a very long time, and not if the law after you. If the AGI is on the side of law enforcement, especially. Law enforcement will become more expensive. It's just a different scale of warfare. Nothing really changes except the amount, speed, and frequency of the casualties. And any argument you make is absolutely applicable to each corporation right now. Do you prefer the dystopian dictatorship of the corps or the balance of powers?
  - adroniser 3y ago
    I don't like where we are headed at all. I acknowledge we face two dystopian options which is either contribute power in the hands of a few corporations who hopefully you can regulate, or have open source models which ends up delivering significant power to people who cannot be effectively controlled. An AGI law enforcement? How dystopian can you get.
    - pk-protect-ai 3y ago
      How can you believe that it will be enough to regulate them? Here is the problem: "a few corporations whom you hopefully can regulate." When they have the power of an AGI with high intelligence and access to all available information on their side, there is no scenario where you would control them. They would control you. >> How dystopian can you get. Oh I have very good imagination ... But I'm stupid and I have hope ...