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Do you think there is any reason somebody might want to be credited for work they did other than having the ability to put it on their resume?

that_guy_iain 3y ago
He had the credit amongst those who were paying attention. It wasn't like this was done in secret. Others chimed in to agree that the maintainers commit was better. So the only credit he didn't get was a commit credit which is important to be a "Linux Contributor" which clearly explictly wrote was the reason they asked for their commit to be used or to work on another patch. I think it would be odd to disbelieve the author.
- caconym_ 3y ago
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  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
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    - caconym_ 3y ago
      You need to work on your reading comprehension. This will be my last reply to you.
      - dang 3y ago
        Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Please don't post like this to HN. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        caconym_ 3y ago
        This was not a personal attack, it was a statement of fact. The user in question was obviously either engaging in bad faith or could not be bothered to read back for ~15 seconds to understand the context of my post. When I pointed this out to them, they doubled down. They were not just wrong, in my personal opinion or objectively in whatever sense---they wasted my time and insulted me. Speaking of pointing the above out, why is this comment flagged? Is this considered a personal attack too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37677835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37677835 --- You can see from my other comments in this thread that I prefer to engage respectfully with other commenters, even ones I disagree with, and I believe my total commenting history going back to 2016 will reflect that I do in fact take the intended spirit of the site to heart. But if speaking forthrightly to a bad faith and/or willfully ignorant interlocutor like this user drags me down to their level in your view, you ought to ban me right now. Thanks.
        that_guy_iain 3y ago
        > You need to work on your reading comprehension. To which you state > This was not a personal attack, it was a statement of fact. It's a matter of opinion, not fact.
        dang 3y ago
        Statements of fact can be personal attacks. Here's an example I've mentioned a few times: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20acne&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... If you find yourself inspecting someone else's comments or behavior for how much bad faith you perceive, or what they couldn't be bothered to do, or anything of the "who said what" variety, you've already fallen off the path of curiosity* and this is a clear sign that you should refrain from posting. That's not a criticism—it happens to all of us and it takes work and practice to avoid it. But it's work we all have to do as a community, if HN is to last for its intended purpose. (Btw that's also the answer to why 37677835 was flagged - it wasn't a personal attack but it was a step off the garden path and into the weeds.) When a commenter uses phrases like "bad faith" or "willfully ignorant" or "down to their level' about another commenter, it's usually a sign that they're too activated by a conversation to really practice the principle "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) In such a case it is better to refrain from posting until you no longer feel that way. Why? because you (I don't mean you personally, but all of us) are not functioning in the range of curiosity when you feel that way—it's impossible; and second, if you reply with what feels to you like "speaking forthrightly" in that moment, you're likely to post things that land with the other commenter, and also the general reader, as attacks, not to mention get replied to by moderators asking you not to post that way. * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      Where did they declare that they want this for their CV?
      - that_guy_iain 3y ago
        At least your attempt at continuing the strawman is better. But still, come on. You know better than this.
        mardifoufs 3y ago
        What are you even talking about? This is my first reply on this thread, but keep projecting?
        that_guy_iain 3y ago
        Ok. Here is a lesson on forums. The comment thread you replied to is full of a guy trying to use a strawman argument. Except he stuck with the same one. You came along with a new strawman argument. So because you replied to a series of strawman arguments with a new attempt at a strawman arguments I wrote my comment in context of where it is in the thread of replies. So I congratulated you on being different. However, I then went on to shame you for using a strawman argument in the first place. The lesson here, is always remember context. The point at which you start your input is surrounded with the context of before it. So if you were closer to the start the context of the previous strawman attempts wouldn't have been in play.

that_guy_iain 3y ago

He had the credit amongst those who were paying attention. It wasn't like this was done in secret. Others chimed in to agree that the maintainers commit was better. So the only credit he didn't get was a commit credit which is important to be a "Linux Contributor" which clearly explictly wrote was the reason they asked for their commit to be used or to work on another patch. I think it would be odd to disbelieve the author.

caconym_ 3y ago
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- that_guy_iain 3y ago
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  - caconym_ 3y ago
    You need to work on your reading comprehension. This will be my last reply to you.
    - dang 3y ago
      Personal attacks will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Please don't post like this to HN. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
      - caconym_ 3y ago
        This was not a personal attack, it was a statement of fact. The user in question was obviously either engaging in bad faith or could not be bothered to read back for ~15 seconds to understand the context of my post. When I pointed this out to them, they doubled down. They were not just wrong, in my personal opinion or objectively in whatever sense---they wasted my time and insulted me. Speaking of pointing the above out, why is this comment flagged? Is this considered a personal attack too? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37677835 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37677835 --- You can see from my other comments in this thread that I prefer to engage respectfully with other commenters, even ones I disagree with, and I believe my total commenting history going back to 2016 will reflect that I do in fact take the intended spirit of the site to heart. But if speaking forthrightly to a bad faith and/or willfully ignorant interlocutor like this user drags me down to their level in your view, you ought to ban me right now. Thanks.
        that_guy_iain 3y ago
        > You need to work on your reading comprehension. To which you state > This was not a personal attack, it was a statement of fact. It's a matter of opinion, not fact.
        dang 3y ago
        Statements of fact can be personal attacks. Here's an example I've mentioned a few times: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20acne&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que.... If you find yourself inspecting someone else's comments or behavior for how much bad faith you perceive, or what they couldn't be bothered to do, or anything of the "who said what" variety, you've already fallen off the path of curiosity* and this is a clear sign that you should refrain from posting. That's not a criticism—it happens to all of us and it takes work and practice to avoid it. But it's work we all have to do as a community, if HN is to last for its intended purpose. (Btw that's also the answer to why 37677835 was flagged - it wasn't a personal attack but it was a step off the garden path and into the weeds.) When a commenter uses phrases like "bad faith" or "willfully ignorant" or "down to their level' about another commenter, it's usually a sign that they're too activated by a conversation to really practice the principle "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) In such a case it is better to refrain from posting until you no longer feel that way. Why? because you (I don't mean you personally, but all of us) are not functioning in the range of curiosity when you feel that way—it's impossible; and second, if you reply with what feels to you like "speaking forthrightly" in that moment, you're likely to post things that land with the other commenter, and also the general reader, as attacks, not to mention get replied to by moderators asking you not to post that way. * https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    Where did they declare that they want this for their CV?
    - that_guy_iain 3y ago
      At least your attempt at continuing the strawman is better. But still, come on. You know better than this.
      - mardifoufs 3y ago
        What are you even talking about? This is my first reply on this thread, but keep projecting?
        that_guy_iain 3y ago
        Ok. Here is a lesson on forums. The comment thread you replied to is full of a guy trying to use a strawman argument. Except he stuck with the same one. You came along with a new strawman argument. So because you replied to a series of strawman arguments with a new attempt at a strawman arguments I wrote my comment in context of where it is in the thread of replies. So I congratulated you on being different. However, I then went on to shame you for using a strawman argument in the first place. The lesson here, is always remember context. The point at which you start your input is surrounded with the context of before it. So if you were closer to the start the context of the previous strawman attempts wouldn't have been in play.