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It would be quite sad if we've gotten to a point where saying "I think my patch is better than yours" from a domain expert to a newbie is considered humiliating

by hnfong 3y ago

It would be quite sad if we've gotten to a point where saying "I think my patch is better than yours" from a domain expert to a newbie is considered humiliating and violating. Talking about utilitarian consequences, Linus had been way worse and while I fully agree from a moral perspective that his most extreme behaviors were bad, from a purely utilitarian perspective that didn't prevent Linux from being one of the most successful OSS projects out there.

caconym_ 3y ago
> It would be quite sad if we've gotten to a point where saying "I think my patch is better than yours" from a domain expert to a newbie is considered humiliating and violating. Isn't this a little bit disingenuous? Do you really think the author of OP's blog post is upset simply because a Linux kernel maintainer has far more domain expertise than him and is in principle capable of writing a "better" patch? That would be pretty irrational, I agree!
- zassy 3y ago
  The real disingenuous part is where OP lied about the maintainer saying his patch was better. It would be pretty bad if he said that, but he never did.
  - caconym_ 3y ago
    I agree that Miculas (the submitter of the original patch) should not have chosen formatting typically associated with direct quotations, but now you're the one putting words in his mouth: he didn't say Ellerman said his (Ellerman's) version was better, he (Miculas) said Ellerman said he liked his (Ellerman's) version better. Ellerman's actual words were "I wanted to fix it differently", so while I don't think Miculas' paraphrasing was entirely appropriate (why paraphrase at all?), I also don't think it was a misrepresentation of what Ellerman actually said.
kazinator 3y ago
Because it could be seen as communicating: "my ten minutes of coding around the array access problem is more perfect than your hours of investigation to root cause the issue plus your ten minutes of coding".
jacquesm 3y ago
Besides the fact that he didn't actually say that at all.

by hnfong 3y ago

caconym_ 3y ago

> It would be quite sad if we've gotten to a point where saying "I think my patch is better than yours" from a domain expert to a newbie is considered humiliating and violating. Isn't this a little bit disingenuous? Do you really think the author of OP's blog post is upset simply because a Linux kernel maintainer has far more domain expertise than him and is in principle capable of writing a "better" patch? That would be pretty irrational, I agree!

zassy 3y ago
The real disingenuous part is where OP lied about the maintainer saying his patch was better. It would be pretty bad if he said that, but he never did.
- caconym_ 3y ago
  I agree that Miculas (the submitter of the original patch) should not have chosen formatting typically associated with direct quotations, but now you're the one putting words in his mouth: he didn't say Ellerman said his (Ellerman's) version was better, he (Miculas) said Ellerman said he liked his (Ellerman's) version better. Ellerman's actual words were "I wanted to fix it differently", so while I don't think Miculas' paraphrasing was entirely appropriate (why paraphrase at all?), I also don't think it was a misrepresentation of what Ellerman actually said.

kazinator 3y ago

Because it could be seen as communicating: "my ten minutes of coding around the array access problem is more perfect than your hours of investigation to root cause the issue plus your ten minutes of coding".

jacquesm 3y ago

Besides the fact that he didn't actually say that at all.