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Mozilla realized it was actually doing something useful and that such things would upset its unofficial corporate overlords, so it shut everything down. Hopefu

by znpy 3y ago

Mozilla realized it was actually doing something useful and that such things would upset its unofficial corporate overlords, so it shut everything down. Hopefully one day we’ll have a fast and light web browser again :(

lproven 3y ago
[Author/submitter here] > Mozilla realized it was actually doing something useful and that such things would upset its unofficial corporate overlords, so it shut everything down. I don't think that is the case, no. If you have any kind of evidence, I would be very, very interested to see it. > Hopefully one day we’ll have a fast and light web browser again :( There are fast, light browsers around. I like NetSurf, which originated on RISC OS but now runs on lots of things. There's also Dillo. But they are small, fast and light because they don't do Javascript, and that makes them useless for a lot of stuff. I welcome suggestions on how to improve that situation. I do not think that Gemini is an answer. Midori used to be small, light and fast, but not any more. It's another Blink browser now, AFAIK. Epiphany is still quite snappy, and it's the only WebKit browser for Linux AFAIK. (This also means it's a fully native browser for Linux on Arm, because there's no Chrome for ordinary Arm Linux, or for Windows on Arm64. There is a native Arm64 Windows Firefox but it's well hidden. Chromium exists of course but it is quite limited.) Epiphany is also the best browser on Haiku.
- SushiHippie 3y ago
  I don'r know if this counts but there is also https://www.qutebrowser.org/ https://www.qutebrowser.org/ which uses qt webkit IIUC
  - qD29Lno-oKXPLEv 3y ago
    qutebrowser doesn't really use webkit anymore. It was an alternative browser engine, but even the developers say that it isn't recommended. It now uses the QtWebEngine, which is chromium based: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser#requirements https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser#requirements
    - lufte 3y ago
      QtWebKit is not recommended but it is still available if you want it: https://qutebrowser.org/doc/help/settings.html#backend https://qutebrowser.org/doc/help/settings.html#backend. There is a ticket to remove it completely which is now targeted for V4 (https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/4039 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/4039) but, in reality, you could still use it.
- dannyobrien 3y ago
  In terms of new renderers, there's Ladybird: https://ladybird.dev/ https://ladybird.dev/ For innovative new browsers, there's Nyxt: https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ Both are looking for funding and sponsors.
  - bkardell 3y ago
    Interesting - I had never never seen nyxt - but it doesn't seem to be a new renderer as far as I can tell? I could be wrong! I'm curious if it is though! It seems to say in the FAQ it is agnostic and currently supports a few engines as the renderer https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/faq https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/faq

by znpy 3y ago

lproven 3y ago

[Author/submitter here] > Mozilla realized it was actually doing something useful and that such things would upset its unofficial corporate overlords, so it shut everything down. I don't think that is the case, no. If you have any kind of evidence, I would be very, very interested to see it. > Hopefully one day we’ll have a fast and light web browser again :( There are fast, light browsers around. I like NetSurf, which originated on RISC OS but now runs on lots of things. There's also Dillo. But they are small, fast and light because they don't do Javascript, and that makes them useless for a lot of stuff. I welcome suggestions on how to improve that situation. I do not think that Gemini is an answer. Midori used to be small, light and fast, but not any more. It's another Blink browser now, AFAIK. Epiphany is still quite snappy, and it's the only WebKit browser for Linux AFAIK. (This also means it's a fully native browser for Linux on Arm, because there's no Chrome for ordinary Arm Linux, or for Windows on Arm64. There is a native Arm64 Windows Firefox but it's well hidden. Chromium exists of course but it is quite limited.) Epiphany is also the best browser on Haiku.

SushiHippie 3y ago
I don'r know if this counts but there is also https://www.qutebrowser.org/ https://www.qutebrowser.org/ which uses qt webkit IIUC
- qD29Lno-oKXPLEv 3y ago
  qutebrowser doesn't really use webkit anymore. It was an alternative browser engine, but even the developers say that it isn't recommended. It now uses the QtWebEngine, which is chromium based: https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser#requirements https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser#requirements
  - lufte 3y ago
    QtWebKit is not recommended but it is still available if you want it: https://qutebrowser.org/doc/help/settings.html#backend https://qutebrowser.org/doc/help/settings.html#backend. There is a ticket to remove it completely which is now targeted for V4 (https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/4039 https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/issues/4039) but, in reality, you could still use it.
dannyobrien 3y ago
In terms of new renderers, there's Ladybird: https://ladybird.dev/ https://ladybird.dev/ For innovative new browsers, there's Nyxt: https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ Both are looking for funding and sponsors.
- bkardell 3y ago
  Interesting - I had never never seen nyxt - but it doesn't seem to be a new renderer as far as I can tell? I could be wrong! I'm curious if it is though! It seems to say in the FAQ it is agnostic and currently supports a few engines as the renderer https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/faq https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/faq