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By their very definitions, laws are not "recommendations". There's nothing deeper here. I can make this simpler using your examples: at the time, your school ma

by gnz11 3y ago

By their very definitions, laws are not "recommendations". There's nothing deeper here. I can make this simpler using your examples: at the time, your school mate was an asshole for flooding the room and your brother was just a brat. Nothing more to it.

paulcole 3y ago
But you're not saying what the difference is. Laws can be broken, so why are they different than a recommendation? I can tell you, "don't touch that hot pan" and it's a recommendation but you can still do it. The government can say "don't speed" and it's a recommendation but you can still do it.
- l33tbro 3y ago
  This kind of thinking is how we arrive at a low-trust society. We could all be individuals indulging our inner-asshole, but it would quickly lead to the enshittification of what remains of communal life. The 'Recommendation' quote just sounds typical of the edgy posturing we've seen Musk fall into. Once the pithy zing fades, we have an idea scales poorly. There are a lot of dumb laws, but they are typically there to protect us and our fellow citizens from human beings (you and me) doing dumb shit. They are hardly recommendations. If anything, laws are the network protocol of society that allows us a semblance of reliability and stability in our operating environment.
  - paulcole 3y ago
    You can sit here and say how things should be all day long. But it doesn’t change how things really are. If you want to delude yourself for the alleged betterment of society, go nuts.
    - l33tbro 3y ago
      Laws and their obedience are a part of our social reality. To feign insouciance about the utility of laws (ala Musk) is a little daft.
      - paulcole 3y ago
        If those recommendations (laws) mattered so much wouldn’t there be serious consequence to the insouciance? Laws are just recommendations that some people see as more serious than others. If you’re willing to take the risk and accept the consequence, it’s your choice.
        l33tbro 3y ago
        You really seem immovably hung up on this clunky 'recommendation' epigram. All the best mate.
        paulcole 3y ago
        Yeah sorry to get hung up on the entire discussion that was happening > By their very definitions, laws are not "recommendations". There's nothing deeper here

by gnz11 3y ago

paulcole 3y ago

But you're not saying what the difference is. Laws can be broken, so why are they different than a recommendation? I can tell you, "don't touch that hot pan" and it's a recommendation but you can still do it. The government can say "don't speed" and it's a recommendation but you can still do it.

l33tbro 3y ago
This kind of thinking is how we arrive at a low-trust society. We could all be individuals indulging our inner-asshole, but it would quickly lead to the enshittification of what remains of communal life. The 'Recommendation' quote just sounds typical of the edgy posturing we've seen Musk fall into. Once the pithy zing fades, we have an idea scales poorly. There are a lot of dumb laws, but they are typically there to protect us and our fellow citizens from human beings (you and me) doing dumb shit. They are hardly recommendations. If anything, laws are the network protocol of society that allows us a semblance of reliability and stability in our operating environment.
- paulcole 3y ago
  You can sit here and say how things should be all day long. But it doesn’t change how things really are. If you want to delude yourself for the alleged betterment of society, go nuts.
  - l33tbro 3y ago
    Laws and their obedience are a part of our social reality. To feign insouciance about the utility of laws (ala Musk) is a little daft.
    - paulcole 3y ago
      If those recommendations (laws) mattered so much wouldn’t there be serious consequence to the insouciance? Laws are just recommendations that some people see as more serious than others. If you’re willing to take the risk and accept the consequence, it’s your choice.
      - l33tbro 3y ago
        You really seem immovably hung up on this clunky 'recommendation' epigram. All the best mate.
        paulcole 3y ago
        Yeah sorry to get hung up on the entire discussion that was happening > By their very definitions, laws are not "recommendations". There's nothing deeper here