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It's a great option if you can stomach Windows or put up with Linux, I agree.

public_defender 3y ago
Yes, correct. If you can deal with almost any operating system that runs on general purpose hardware, and if you can stomach having the choice of which one to run.
ksoped 3y ago
This sounds like an Apple fanboy comment, tbh. Most people are used to windows and if they want an alternative, they'll reach for Linux. MacOS is more of a con rather than a pro since you're effectively locked in with no chance of switching.
- ubermonkey 3y ago
  This sounds like a comment from someone who thinks of Apple hate as a personality trait. There's no lock-in in MacOS, which is easily demonstrated on any front you like. Of course, if you actually investigate such claims before making them, it'll put you in the awkward position of having to decide if you'd rather be ignorantly disingenuous our outright dishonest, so it's a tough spot for you.
- _cenw 3y ago
  That sounds more like a lack of perspective. Most people are actually locked in to Windows on non-apple computers due to a lack of knowledge (or motivation to change up their workflow), and even more people are locked in to mobile operating systems for the same reason. Also, Asahi is a very polished distro with a lot of original work going into it, arguably one of the best Linux experiences around, so I have no idea what you mean by "no chance of switching".
  - timbit42 3y ago
    On mac you are locked in whether you lack knowledge or have it.
    - ubermonkey 3y ago
      This is just not true. You are no more and no less locked into MacOS than you are under Windows or under Linux. I'm not sympathetic to them, but there definitely ARE substantive arguments a FOSS devotee could make about MacOS that make sense, or which are at least grounded in fact. This is not one of them.
  - stonogo 3y ago
    Asahi doesn't even support all the hardware on the few machines it supports. The only people who consider it "polished" are people who don't use Linux. The hardware bring up they have done is amazing work, but it's a long way from daily driving. It's not the developers' fault apple uses bizarre webcams etc, but "best Linux experience" is not even close.
probablyspyware 3y ago
I can only tolerate Linux. The other two are cesspools. That said, Lenovo and the thinkpad brand are known bad actors. They were busted for phoning home and adding spyware. Not trustworthy.
- tlavoie 3y ago
  Is there anything remaining when you nuke the Windows install to put Linux on them?
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    MSI and Gigabyte have a rep for firmware that has holes or phones home, but AFAIK Lenovo mobos aren't known for this. Fresh install of Ubuntu or Fedora that formats the HDD should rid you of anything dubious.
    - _cenw 3y ago
      It's called Windows Update Binary Table, and Lenovo did it 10 years ago on one model of their Ideapad (budget, low-end) line. The echo seemed to have hit them hard enough to never attempt it again. You can patch out WUBT by replacing your bootloader with one that strips them out, though most boards have a toggle in the BIOS by now (my ASUS AM5 board had this anti-feature and the toggle too). Though you probably get more crapware on Windows Update these days.
    - tlavoie 3y ago
      Thanks, that's what I thought. Good thing too, have a couple ThinkPads of differing vintages around, both Linux.
- SahAssar 3y ago
  > That said, Lenovo and the thinkpad brand are known bad actors. They were busted for phoning home and adding spyware. I agree about lenovo as a whole, but IIRC that spyware was never on the thinkpad brand, only ideapads and other lower end machines.
- 3y ago

Yes, correct. If you can deal with almost any operating system that runs on general purpose hardware, and if you can stomach having the choice of which one to run.

ksoped 3y ago

This sounds like an Apple fanboy comment, tbh. Most people are used to windows and if they want an alternative, they'll reach for Linux. MacOS is more of a con rather than a pro since you're effectively locked in with no chance of switching.

ubermonkey 3y ago
This sounds like a comment from someone who thinks of Apple hate as a personality trait. There's no lock-in in MacOS, which is easily demonstrated on any front you like. Of course, if you actually investigate such claims before making them, it'll put you in the awkward position of having to decide if you'd rather be ignorantly disingenuous our outright dishonest, so it's a tough spot for you.
_cenw 3y ago
That sounds more like a lack of perspective. Most people are actually locked in to Windows on non-apple computers due to a lack of knowledge (or motivation to change up their workflow), and even more people are locked in to mobile operating systems for the same reason. Also, Asahi is a very polished distro with a lot of original work going into it, arguably one of the best Linux experiences around, so I have no idea what you mean by "no chance of switching".
- timbit42 3y ago
  On mac you are locked in whether you lack knowledge or have it.
  - ubermonkey 3y ago
    This is just not true. You are no more and no less locked into MacOS than you are under Windows or under Linux. I'm not sympathetic to them, but there definitely ARE substantive arguments a FOSS devotee could make about MacOS that make sense, or which are at least grounded in fact. This is not one of them.
- stonogo 3y ago
  Asahi doesn't even support all the hardware on the few machines it supports. The only people who consider it "polished" are people who don't use Linux. The hardware bring up they have done is amazing work, but it's a long way from daily driving. It's not the developers' fault apple uses bizarre webcams etc, but "best Linux experience" is not even close.

probablyspyware 3y ago

I can only tolerate Linux. The other two are cesspools. That said, Lenovo and the thinkpad brand are known bad actors. They were busted for phoning home and adding spyware. Not trustworthy.

tlavoie 3y ago
Is there anything remaining when you nuke the Windows install to put Linux on them?
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  MSI and Gigabyte have a rep for firmware that has holes or phones home, but AFAIK Lenovo mobos aren't known for this. Fresh install of Ubuntu or Fedora that formats the HDD should rid you of anything dubious.
  - _cenw 3y ago
    It's called Windows Update Binary Table, and Lenovo did it 10 years ago on one model of their Ideapad (budget, low-end) line. The echo seemed to have hit them hard enough to never attempt it again. You can patch out WUBT by replacing your bootloader with one that strips them out, though most boards have a toggle in the BIOS by now (my ASUS AM5 board had this anti-feature and the toggle too). Though you probably get more crapware on Windows Update these days.
  - tlavoie 3y ago
    Thanks, that's what I thought. Good thing too, have a couple ThinkPads of differing vintages around, both Linux.
SahAssar 3y ago
> That said, Lenovo and the thinkpad brand are known bad actors. They were busted for phoning home and adding spyware. I agree about lenovo as a whole, but IIRC that spyware was never on the thinkpad brand, only ideapads and other lower end machines.
3y ago