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Are you suggesting they don’t release it until they can prove no hallucination?

by collinc777 3y ago

skepticATX 3y ago
For a safety-critical application like this, absolutely.
- Filligree 3y ago
  Is the opinion of the users irrelevant? They’re all racking about suddenly being independent, something everyone who’s sighted takes for granted.
  - tjr 3y ago
    Is this a new level of user satisfaction wrought by AI? Sounds like there has been a non-AI solution for a while too?
    - cldellow 3y ago
      I used to be a personal support worker for adults with cognitive and physical disabilities. In some sense, I was a non-AI solution that enabled them to do their activities of daily living. I'm pretty sure they'd have preferred not to be dependent on me, though. I imagine that's true here, too--no more need to edit your behaviour/filter your thinking/navigate interpersonal stuff just to do something minor.
  - skepticATX 3y ago
    This service can already be reliably provided by humans. Humans have well understood failure modes, and society has an existing framework for handling issues that arise between humans. I wonder who will be held responsible when Be My Eyes AI tells someone to step into traffic? My guess is no one.
    - fouc 3y ago
      From the page: > Be My AI is perfect for all those circumstances when you want a quick solution or you don’t feel like talking to another person to get visual assistance.
      - arroz 3y ago
        So basically you throw the responsibility to the user for Be My AI reading medicine label wrong
        dfadsadsf 3y ago
        I think as all in life it's situational. Would I trust imperfect AI to pick medicine out of 1000 available in a drugstore? Probably not - what if it picks Fentanyl (or whatever drug that can kill me). Would I trust it to pick Ibuprofen to treat headache from my home medical cabinet? Absolutely. There is nothing there that can kill me. Would I trust it to tell me dose in mg? Current systems are already better at OCR than average human. This summer I used Google Translate to pick medicine in Italy and it was pretty good at translating labels - definitely better than pharmacist who did not speak English at all. By the way, lots of people die in US because wrong medicine was dispensed - and that has nothing to do with AI. People are imperfect and many drug names are long, incomprehensible and easy to confuse with each other.
    - leereeves 3y ago
      How many blind people have full time human assistants? My guess is: very few.
    - arbitrarian 3y ago
      As A blind person, hopefully this never happens. But if it does, hopefully the person who decided to use the AI improperly. I know this might sound crazy, but maybe, just maybe, we should allow blind people themselves to take responsibility for the ways in which they use technology. Rather than locking up the dangerous AI that they might hurt themselves with, perhaps we might just allow blind people themselves to determine how much risk they are comfortable with taking.
- ryanjshaw 3y ago
  It's an app for blind people or people with low vision. They still have common sense. Why do you think you can deny them access?
- swamp40 3y ago
  Being blind is dangerous. Let people decide for themselves what level of risk is acceptable to them.
  - dmazzoni 3y ago
    Being blind isn't necessarily dangerous at all. Lots of blind people have their homes set up with everything carefully arranged and no hazards. They prepare food, clean their house, commute to school, to jobs, and to appointments via familiar routes with no dangerous intersections, or they might use buses, trains, and Uber / Lyft just like millions of other people who aren't blind. Being blind can be full of annoyances and frustrations, but I think it's a stretch to say that it's "dangerous".
- collinc777 3y ago
  Here we have a tool that can materially improve blind people’s lives and instead of making it accessible you want to deny them access until the product reaches a quality bar that is impossible to reach. That’s wrong and immoral. The world is full of risk. As individuals we choose to accept some risks and move on with our lives. I think it’s appropriate that blind people are given the same opportunity

Are you suggesting they don’t release it until they can prove no hallucination?

skepticATX 3y ago

For a safety-critical application like this, absolutely.

Filligree 3y ago
Is the opinion of the users irrelevant? They’re all racking about suddenly being independent, something everyone who’s sighted takes for granted.
- tjr 3y ago
  Is this a new level of user satisfaction wrought by AI? Sounds like there has been a non-AI solution for a while too?
  - cldellow 3y ago
    I used to be a personal support worker for adults with cognitive and physical disabilities. In some sense, I was a non-AI solution that enabled them to do their activities of daily living. I'm pretty sure they'd have preferred not to be dependent on me, though. I imagine that's true here, too--no more need to edit your behaviour/filter your thinking/navigate interpersonal stuff just to do something minor.
- skepticATX 3y ago
  This service can already be reliably provided by humans. Humans have well understood failure modes, and society has an existing framework for handling issues that arise between humans. I wonder who will be held responsible when Be My Eyes AI tells someone to step into traffic? My guess is no one.
  - fouc 3y ago
    From the page: > Be My AI is perfect for all those circumstances when you want a quick solution or you don’t feel like talking to another person to get visual assistance.
    - arroz 3y ago
      So basically you throw the responsibility to the user for Be My AI reading medicine label wrong
      - dfadsadsf 3y ago
        I think as all in life it's situational. Would I trust imperfect AI to pick medicine out of 1000 available in a drugstore? Probably not - what if it picks Fentanyl (or whatever drug that can kill me). Would I trust it to pick Ibuprofen to treat headache from my home medical cabinet? Absolutely. There is nothing there that can kill me. Would I trust it to tell me dose in mg? Current systems are already better at OCR than average human. This summer I used Google Translate to pick medicine in Italy and it was pretty good at translating labels - definitely better than pharmacist who did not speak English at all. By the way, lots of people die in US because wrong medicine was dispensed - and that has nothing to do with AI. People are imperfect and many drug names are long, incomprehensible and easy to confuse with each other.
  - leereeves 3y ago
    How many blind people have full time human assistants? My guess is: very few.
  - arbitrarian 3y ago
    As A blind person, hopefully this never happens. But if it does, hopefully the person who decided to use the AI improperly. I know this might sound crazy, but maybe, just maybe, we should allow blind people themselves to take responsibility for the ways in which they use technology. Rather than locking up the dangerous AI that they might hurt themselves with, perhaps we might just allow blind people themselves to determine how much risk they are comfortable with taking.
ryanjshaw 3y ago
It's an app for blind people or people with low vision. They still have common sense. Why do you think you can deny them access?
swamp40 3y ago
Being blind is dangerous. Let people decide for themselves what level of risk is acceptable to them.
- dmazzoni 3y ago
  Being blind isn't necessarily dangerous at all. Lots of blind people have their homes set up with everything carefully arranged and no hazards. They prepare food, clean their house, commute to school, to jobs, and to appointments via familiar routes with no dangerous intersections, or they might use buses, trains, and Uber / Lyft just like millions of other people who aren't blind. Being blind can be full of annoyances and frustrations, but I think it's a stretch to say that it's "dangerous".
collinc777 3y ago
Here we have a tool that can materially improve blind people’s lives and instead of making it accessible you want to deny them access until the product reaches a quality bar that is impossible to reach. That’s wrong and immoral. The world is full of risk. As individuals we choose to accept some risks and move on with our lives. I think it’s appropriate that blind people are given the same opportunity