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> The McDonald's hot coffee lady case wasn't frivolous. No, this isn't "twisted in our living memory". The people who think that the lawsuit is frivolous haven

by adwn 3y ago

> The McDonald's hot coffee lady case wasn't frivolous. No, this isn't "twisted in our living memory". The people who think that the lawsuit is frivolous haven't forgotten that the coffee was hotter than other fast-food coffee, or rather, it has no bearing on their assessment. Coffee is a hot beverage, and it's in your personal responsibility not to put a flimsy cup containing a hot beverage between your legs, especially not while sitting in a car. It's completely irrelevant whether the coffee was 85°C, 75°C, or 65°C, or whether there's a large warning label on the side of the cup – as an adult you can be expected to exert common sense, and if you don't, then McDonald's shouldn't be held liable for your clumsiness.

fatherzine 3y ago
I would encourage you to read the facts, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants#Burn_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaura... They sold 180–190 °F coffee, with a lid, to a 79yo lady at a drive-through window. She was sitting in her car and spilled the coffee in her lap while trying to remove the lid. I don't have an opinion on the legal ramifications, but the setting has 'horrific accident waiting to happen' written all over it.
- adwn 3y ago
  > I would encourage you to read the facts [...] I already have, thank you. > They sold 180–190 °F coffee, with a lid, to a 79yo lady at a drive-through window. I know. That "79yo lady" is an adult who is liable for her own actions. Coffee is hot, duh, I would expect someone of that age to know that. McDonald's isn't responsible for babysitting people who should know better than to squeeze hot beverages between their legs. > the setting has 'horrific accident waiting to happen' written all over it Not more than handing someone knife and fork. If you go out for dinner and you cut yourself in the finger, or you stab an eye out because you forgot how to use cutlery, is that also the restaurant's fault? Should they give everyone dull knifes and spoons only, just in case?
  - dralley 3y ago
    > I know. That "79yo lady" is an adult who is liable for her own actions. Coffee is hot, duh, I would expect someone of that age to know that. McDonald's isn't responsible for babysitting people who should know better than to squeeze hot beverages between their legs. Are you aware that during discovery, it was uncovered that McDonalds had undertaken studies to determine how hot they needed to make the coffee to avoid in-restaurant guests from drinking it too quickly and getting free refills. They knew the coffee was too hot and had received many complaints, and other people had been burned, but it was in fact "the point" to ensure the coffee was too hot, to save a couple of cents per customer.
    - adwn 3y ago
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    - zlg_codes 3y ago
      Don't waste your time on such worthless rhetoric coming from the other guy. He clearly thinks it's okay to hurt people, moreso if it can be argued 'they brought it on themselves'. I wonder what their opinions on sexual assault are.
zlg_codes 3y ago
Is it also personal responsibility when a rollercoaster fails? They knew the risks, allegedly. This is a dim moral view of humanity. Basically nobody is liable to you, even if they fuck up? That's not how morals and ethics work. I'm convinced those that beat the drum of personal responsibility are simply conservatives that want everyone to lead a shit life. There is only so much one can do to avoid the damage that others cause. But of course, no personal responsibility to the businesses hurting people, right? Dead giveaway of conservative, backwards outlooks. You would not be able to build a community with those values. What are your thoughts on sexual assault?

by adwn 3y ago

fatherzine 3y ago

I would encourage you to read the facts, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants#Burn_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaura... They sold 180–190 °F coffee, with a lid, to a 79yo lady at a drive-through window. She was sitting in her car and spilled the coffee in her lap while trying to remove the lid. I don't have an opinion on the legal ramifications, but the setting has 'horrific accident waiting to happen' written all over it.

adwn 3y ago
> I would encourage you to read the facts [...] I already have, thank you. > They sold 180–190 °F coffee, with a lid, to a 79yo lady at a drive-through window. I know. That "79yo lady" is an adult who is liable for her own actions. Coffee is hot, duh, I would expect someone of that age to know that. McDonald's isn't responsible for babysitting people who should know better than to squeeze hot beverages between their legs. > the setting has 'horrific accident waiting to happen' written all over it Not more than handing someone knife and fork. If you go out for dinner and you cut yourself in the finger, or you stab an eye out because you forgot how to use cutlery, is that also the restaurant's fault? Should they give everyone dull knifes and spoons only, just in case?
- dralley 3y ago
  > I know. That "79yo lady" is an adult who is liable for her own actions. Coffee is hot, duh, I would expect someone of that age to know that. McDonald's isn't responsible for babysitting people who should know better than to squeeze hot beverages between their legs. Are you aware that during discovery, it was uncovered that McDonalds had undertaken studies to determine how hot they needed to make the coffee to avoid in-restaurant guests from drinking it too quickly and getting free refills. They knew the coffee was too hot and had received many complaints, and other people had been burned, but it was in fact "the point" to ensure the coffee was too hot, to save a couple of cents per customer.
  - adwn 3y ago
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  - zlg_codes 3y ago
    Don't waste your time on such worthless rhetoric coming from the other guy. He clearly thinks it's okay to hurt people, moreso if it can be argued 'they brought it on themselves'. I wonder what their opinions on sexual assault are.

zlg_codes 3y ago

Is it also personal responsibility when a rollercoaster fails? They knew the risks, allegedly. This is a dim moral view of humanity. Basically nobody is liable to you, even if they fuck up? That's not how morals and ethics work. I'm convinced those that beat the drum of personal responsibility are simply conservatives that want everyone to lead a shit life. There is only so much one can do to avoid the damage that others cause. But of course, no personal responsibility to the businesses hurting people, right? Dead giveaway of conservative, backwards outlooks. You would not be able to build a community with those values. What are your thoughts on sexual assault?