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> Thinkpad X13 Yoga Gen 3 Sadly it has that shitty modern Lenovo keyboard, with Fn in the left part of the keyboard (I'm not talking about Fn/Ctrl placement),

> Thinkpad X13 Yoga Gen 3 Sadly it has that shitty modern Lenovo keyboard, with Fn in the left part of the keyboard (I'm not talking about Fn/Ctrl placement), Insert on Fn+End combo (Why?! WHY?![0]) and the stupid PrtScr under the right thumb, like you are taking screenshots every minute. This alone averts me from any ThinkPad past x220 (and even x220 has elephantitis on the Del key..) [0] and now I'm talking about Fn placement on the left side - even I can't make Fn+End with one hand. Compare it to ASUS TM420 keyboard: https://i0.wp.com/techraman.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Asus-Vivobook-Flip-14_keyboard.jpg?w=1080&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/techraman.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/A...

smlavine 3y ago
To be honest I've never even noticed those problems. I don't use any of those buttons ever at all, really.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  Sometimes it's not even "I use them not", sometimes it's "I need to use them because some program/whatever requires them" so there is no options. And PrtScr on these keyboards replaces ContextMenu and I'm hardwired for a quarter of century to use it when I'm on the go without a mouse (hey, it's a laptop!). I lost my clipboard contents too many times so I had to figure it out, but it's ridiculous in the first place. And overall it's like having a dildo in the driver seat of your car - you can choose to use it or not to, but still there should be no such thing in the driver seat of a car at all. /rant
HeadsUpHigh 3y ago
The large Del key is great, it makes it easier to hit it blindly while typing.
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  ... I don't remember I ever missed DEL on any laptop keyboard with a separate, two row functional keys block. At least never to bother me enough to remember that. It's in the bottom-left edge, you can't miss it, you have the tactile feel of it.
garciansmith 3y ago
I fully agree about the newer ThinkPad keyboards. I wouldn't call them shitty, but after using the old ones it's such a step back. I use a key remapper to fix this stuff, currently using Xmonad which works very well (e.g., that dumb screenshot key is now the traditional menu key).
dTal 3y ago
>any ThinkPad past x220 not even the Thinkpad T25 Anniversary Edition?
- taskforcegemini 3y ago
  I have both. The compactness of the x220 feels better, but I spent important years on an x61t so ymmv

smlavine 3y ago

To be honest I've never even noticed those problems. I don't use any of those buttons ever at all, really.

justsomehnguy 3y ago
Sometimes it's not even "I use them not", sometimes it's "I need to use them because some program/whatever requires them" so there is no options. And PrtScr on these keyboards replaces ContextMenu and I'm hardwired for a quarter of century to use it when I'm on the go without a mouse (hey, it's a laptop!). I lost my clipboard contents too many times so I had to figure it out, but it's ridiculous in the first place. And overall it's like having a dildo in the driver seat of your car - you can choose to use it or not to, but still there should be no such thing in the driver seat of a car at all. /rant

HeadsUpHigh 3y ago

The large Del key is great, it makes it easier to hit it blindly while typing.

justsomehnguy 3y ago
... I don't remember I ever missed DEL on any laptop keyboard with a separate, two row functional keys block. At least never to bother me enough to remember that. It's in the bottom-left edge, you can't miss it, you have the tactile feel of it.

garciansmith 3y ago

I fully agree about the newer ThinkPad keyboards. I wouldn't call them shitty, but after using the old ones it's such a step back. I use a key remapper to fix this stuff, currently using Xmonad which works very well (e.g., that dumb screenshot key is now the traditional menu key).

dTal 3y ago

>any ThinkPad past x220 not even the Thinkpad T25 Anniversary Edition?

taskforcegemini 3y ago
I have both. The compactness of the x220 feels better, but I spent important years on an x61t so ymmv