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> Hacker News is arguably the best place where something like this can be discussed I'm not sure that's true. Well, maybe the best place, but still not a good

by jemmyw 3y ago

> Hacker News is arguably the best place where something like this can be discussed I'm not sure that's true. Well, maybe the best place, but still not a good place. Even on here, this story doesn't have that much conversation, and it's no longer on the front page. The folks who read and post comments here are, for the most part, workers for the tech industry. We're paid by the very companies that are the problem. We implement the code that is making things shit. People who frequent this site work for Facebook and Google and are proud of it. I might be too if my salary came from those companies. So I'm not sure how this is the best audience... it's the audience most capable of understanding, but the audience that has something to lose from change. Anyway, I feel it too. However, perhaps one of the results of all this is that there will be services resilient to the big tech money because a large enough subset is willing to pay for what big tech offered "free", or are community run. I use and pay for Kagi, couldn't imagine doing such a thing 10 years ago. Big, huge, powerful corporations have existed in the past only to become hollowed out and transformed, continuing in name only.

drpixie 3y ago
I'm inclined to agree. Articles that are uncomplimentary of the industry ethos are few, and comments the criticize that ethos often see antagonistic replies or downvotes. There are plenty of people here who have their eyes open and maintain a broad view of tech and the world. But these people seem overwhelmed by those that have completely swallowed the industry koolaid. It's sad. I remember the fundamental optimism of the early days of IT . That's largely been replaced by smallest-feasible-product and monification.
skilled 3y ago
Hmm, I actually didn't consider your point when I wrote my comment, so thanks for making it. I actually asked for this video to be given a second chance on the front page since it really struck me strongly. I guess it's because Cory has done a great job at doing his homework and he was able to illustrate the problem from its very roots as opposed to things that have only happened recently. A lot of what he said - I didn't even know that was a thing, even though I have probably left a comment here on Hacker News at some point pretending like I knew the full story. It's good to be humbled like that once in a while. But yes, your point is very strong, and many of these large companies employ a significant number of the best engineers/developers in the world. "Most capable of understanding", that does seem what I really meant in this case.

by jemmyw 3y ago

drpixie 3y ago

I'm inclined to agree. Articles that are uncomplimentary of the industry ethos are few, and comments the criticize that ethos often see antagonistic replies or downvotes. There are plenty of people here who have their eyes open and maintain a broad view of tech and the world. But these people seem overwhelmed by those that have completely swallowed the industry koolaid. It's sad. I remember the fundamental optimism of the early days of IT . That's largely been replaced by smallest-feasible-product and monification.

skilled 3y ago

Hmm, I actually didn't consider your point when I wrote my comment, so thanks for making it. I actually asked for this video to be given a second chance on the front page since it really struck me strongly. I guess it's because Cory has done a great job at doing his homework and he was able to illustrate the problem from its very roots as opposed to things that have only happened recently. A lot of what he said - I didn't even know that was a thing, even though I have probably left a comment here on Hacker News at some point pretending like I knew the full story. It's good to be humbled like that once in a while. But yes, your point is very strong, and many of these large companies employ a significant number of the best engineers/developers in the world. "Most capable of understanding", that does seem what I really meant in this case.