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Yea the homebrew dev team is pretty user hostile tbh. The more you read their github, the more you realize how insufferable and arrogant they are. It leaves a

by tacker2000 3y ago

Yea the homebrew dev team is pretty user hostile tbh. The more you read their github, the more you realize how insufferable and arrogant they are. It leaves a very bad impression. Also, if you are not going along in the upgrade rabbit race, homebrew gets really annoying and actually in your way at some point. I see myself moving to macports soon, if brew gets worse and the stability of my setup is compromised (lots of php versions with valet for example). I guess brew is now more targeted at “prosumers” now since it is imposing unnecessary limits on what “pro” users want and need.

andy_ppp 3y ago
I always expect endless support from free products, built by the community, that I'm not paying for or contributing to.
- tacker2000 3y ago
  Of course the devs dont need to support everyone and answer every feature request. Its more nuanced than that. As a dev, i like a stable environment and i dont like to do big updates all the time, since that means i have to spend hours updating my setup again. Everytime i run brew im scared it will hose my PHP versions, etc, since it auto updates everything. To install old PHP versions one needs to hack the install files to make it work. If you bring up any of these issues you are screamed down by the devs as “you should always be on the latest versions anyway bla bla”… but that is just not a realistic scenario in the real world. Legacy code is everywhere. In the end brew is not really for pro users, but, as i said, maybe for people using it to install youtube-dl or whatever. Once the pain of reinstalling and hacking it to make it work becomes too big then i will switch.
  - kalleboo 3y ago
    I'm glad we have both Homebrew as well as MacPorts. It's like having options to choose a bleeding-edge or stable distro. I prefer the former (as a dev, who often wants to use reasonably new features and libraries - and honestly despite keeping up in versions I can count the breakage to my workflow in the past decade on one hand, at least I'm not a JavaScript developer) but I totally respect the latter as well, so I'm glad we can each have what we need.
    - moondev 3y ago
      Most distros are built on top of a package manager, it's a critical piece of the entire platform. Homebrew and macOS are the exact opposite.
  - FinalBriefing 3y ago
    That's what containers are for.
underdeserver 3y ago
How much is your support contract with them?
chuchana 3y ago
Another alternative that might be worth looking into is the Nix package manager.
gumby 3y ago
Please return homebrew for a full refund.
- gumby 3y ago
  In case it's not clear: I'm paraphrasing Brian Fox's canned reply to people who flamed him about bash when he was writing it.
marcinzm 3y ago
The alternative is orders of magnitude more work for them as they need to maintain old versions of packages and old versions of operating systems.
Phurist 3y ago
Just use Nix
Clamchop 3y ago
Ah, the usual flip replies of how you can expect nothing from open source. Software projects, naturally, wanting for neither goodwill nor users.

andy_ppp 3y ago

I always expect endless support from free products, built by the community, that I'm not paying for or contributing to.

tacker2000 3y ago
Of course the devs dont need to support everyone and answer every feature request. Its more nuanced than that. As a dev, i like a stable environment and i dont like to do big updates all the time, since that means i have to spend hours updating my setup again. Everytime i run brew im scared it will hose my PHP versions, etc, since it auto updates everything. To install old PHP versions one needs to hack the install files to make it work. If you bring up any of these issues you are screamed down by the devs as “you should always be on the latest versions anyway bla bla”… but that is just not a realistic scenario in the real world. Legacy code is everywhere. In the end brew is not really for pro users, but, as i said, maybe for people using it to install youtube-dl or whatever. Once the pain of reinstalling and hacking it to make it work becomes too big then i will switch.
- kalleboo 3y ago
  I'm glad we have both Homebrew as well as MacPorts. It's like having options to choose a bleeding-edge or stable distro. I prefer the former (as a dev, who often wants to use reasonably new features and libraries - and honestly despite keeping up in versions I can count the breakage to my workflow in the past decade on one hand, at least I'm not a JavaScript developer) but I totally respect the latter as well, so I'm glad we can each have what we need.
  - moondev 3y ago
    Most distros are built on top of a package manager, it's a critical piece of the entire platform. Homebrew and macOS are the exact opposite.
- FinalBriefing 3y ago
  That's what containers are for.

underdeserver 3y ago

How much is your support contract with them?

chuchana 3y ago

Another alternative that might be worth looking into is the Nix package manager.

gumby 3y ago

Please return homebrew for a full refund.

gumby 3y ago
In case it's not clear: I'm paraphrasing Brian Fox's canned reply to people who flamed him about bash when he was writing it.

marcinzm 3y ago

The alternative is orders of magnitude more work for them as they need to maintain old versions of packages and old versions of operating systems.

Phurist 3y ago

Just use Nix

Clamchop 3y ago

Ah, the usual flip replies of how you can expect nothing from open source. Software projects, naturally, wanting for neither goodwill nor users.