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Im reading this whole discussion and Im totally buffled by ppl trying to FORCE their way of thinking on others. Nobody forces ppl to use Apple products, nobody

by pojzon 3y ago

Im reading this whole discussion and Im totally buffled by ppl trying to FORCE their way of thinking on others. Nobody forces ppl to use Apple products, nobody forces ppl to use Google products. Ppl do so because they have no options to choose from. So - Instead of fixing the issue of "there is no options to choose from" we try to force OUR rules on companies that operate totally within the rules of open market. The issue we have should be solved by GOVERMENTs to make it easier for others to build and grow as competitors to Apple and Google. But that requires donations, easier access to market, good conditions on the market. THIS is not something that can be easly done. So GOVERMENTs try to convince ppl the "big bad IT" is at fault for how the world works. Tho they play only following the rules created by GOVERMENT in the first place.. So instead of being mad at GOVERMENT, ppl are mad at random companies. What a joke.

precommunicator 3y ago
Government to which these "random" companies spend millions on lobbying and donations to re-elect. Sure.
Sayrus 3y ago
> Nobody forces ppl to use Apple products, nobody forces ppl to use Google products. Ppl do so because they have no options to choose from. If I use neither Google nor Apple, I loose access to banking apps and other third-party apps. I have a choice not to use them, but that means I loose access to products that were developed by neither of those. Hell, even if I use Google's hardware (Pixels) but not Google software (Play Services), I loose these apps. Same goes for Instant Messaging, you can choose to use a competitor, but then you won't be able to discuss with other persons unless you convince them to use the same software as you do. > The issue we have should be solved by GOVERMENTs to make it easier for others to build and grow as competitors to Apple and Google. > Tho they play only following the rules created by GOVERMENT in the first place.. You say that the government should change the rules to ensure competitions is possible. But isn't that what DMA creates? It (in part) allows new competitors by reducing network effect and enforcing interoperability.
- pojzon 3y ago
  > If I use neither Google nor Apple, I loose access to banking apps and other third-party apps So your real issue is lack of competition. Something that could be regulated but is not due to corrupted goverment. So instead of fixing the system to force Google and Apple to compete on a market, we prefer to choose an easy bandaid while keeping everything the same. Yes my solution is harder but there are no easy solutions to hard problems.

by pojzon 3y ago

precommunicator 3y ago

Government to which these "random" companies spend millions on lobbying and donations to re-elect. Sure.

Sayrus 3y ago

> Nobody forces ppl to use Apple products, nobody forces ppl to use Google products. Ppl do so because they have no options to choose from. If I use neither Google nor Apple, I loose access to banking apps and other third-party apps. I have a choice not to use them, but that means I loose access to products that were developed by neither of those. Hell, even if I use Google's hardware (Pixels) but not Google software (Play Services), I loose these apps. Same goes for Instant Messaging, you can choose to use a competitor, but then you won't be able to discuss with other persons unless you convince them to use the same software as you do. > The issue we have should be solved by GOVERMENTs to make it easier for others to build and grow as competitors to Apple and Google. > Tho they play only following the rules created by GOVERMENT in the first place.. You say that the government should change the rules to ensure competitions is possible. But isn't that what DMA creates? It (in part) allows new competitors by reducing network effect and enforcing interoperability.

pojzon 3y ago
> If I use neither Google nor Apple, I loose access to banking apps and other third-party apps So your real issue is lack of competition. Something that could be regulated but is not due to corrupted goverment. So instead of fixing the system to force Google and Apple to compete on a market, we prefer to choose an easy bandaid while keeping everything the same. Yes my solution is harder but there are no easy solutions to hard problems.