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So you say iphone can offer alternate stores/sideload and still keep old behavior for users that want to stay in apple's ecosystem? So why lock down iphone then

So you say iphone can offer alternate stores/sideload and still keep old behavior for users that want to stay in apple's ecosystem? So why lock down iphone then? Consumers that want it locked down, will keep their old routines...

gigatexal 3y ago
If governments force Apple's hand so be it what can Apple do then, but if I could help it, I'd not want it to be opened up for 3rd parties.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  why? id doesn't affect your freedom to use only appstore
  - gigatexal 3y ago
    Because it opens the possibility for folks to get duped into installing something from a different app store that could lead to all sorts of problems. I am thinking about less sophisticated users like my boomer mom and aunts and uncles who if you're a nerd like me you're often the relied upon first line of tech support.
    - Moldoteck 3y ago
      for them you can implement parental control if that's so important, or aple could just put a ton of warnings and dangers with big red cancel button and gray 'I want to continue button' with some additional warnings. In my experience, the second they see this messages, they'll exit the process
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    The coercion is the problem. You are free to buy any phone you want, but want to coerce other men into doing what you want. It’s immoral.
    - Moldoteck 3y ago
      i'm not forcing you to sideload. It's immoral to not own your device fully, not being able to install what you want, even if it can hurt you if you don't have the skills is also immoral
      - a-user-you-like 3y ago
        [dead]
        gigatexal 3y ago
        yeah if you want an open phone buy an android one and run an open os like grapheneOS
        dang 3y ago
        We've banned this account for posting unubstantive and flamebait comments, and by all appearances trolling. Not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - Moldoteck 3y ago
        @a-user-you-like yes, it's immoral, you guessed it right, just like many other things in this world but are still happening and I hold the same opinion with other systems, be that smartwatches, infotainmens car systems or any other stuff. I don't expect sideload/firmware replace to be safe/easy, but I expect to be able to do this on things I own
maratc 3y ago
No, as alternate stores will change the experience for everybody. I download 0 new apps per year, but I use WhatsApp, Outlook, and Google Maps. Today, I get them all from one store - one password to remember, one credit card to have, one stupid set of "security questions" to forget the answers. Tomorrow, Facebook AppStore will be the only place to get WhatsApp, Microsoft AppStore will be the only place to get Outlook, and Google AppStore will be the only place to get Google Maps, so I will need to download n app stores to get to where I am today. Create n accounts... accept n privacy policies... activate two-factor n times... Yeah, no, thank you but no. I'm pretty happy with the AppStore as it is, thank you very much.
- MaKey 3y ago
  Given that this scenario hasn't happened with Android, which allows sideloading, this argument seems like baseless fearmongering to me.
  - throwaway45680 3y ago
    Play store allows basically anything (including obviously fake/scam/adware/spyware apps), there's nothing to be gained by doing this on Android, you'd lose an easy distribution mechanism that doesn't limit you, helps you gain victims and provides credibility - it's on top of Google then it must be good, right? Also consider the market share of iOS and Android. Why bother for such small amount of price sensitive users? iOS is another story entirely. The App Store has a lot of demands on the app developers wrt. UX, compatibility, etc; there's a lot of money to be saved (and faster time to market gained) by not publishing apps there. And then you can also bypass the security/privacy screening.
    - Moldoteck 3y ago
      so you say there are no scam apps on appstore? Asking bc I've read a lot of articles abt scammy aps there and apple is doing nothing to kill these
  - maratc 3y ago
    Given that this scenario has happened on the PC side of things, where I now need to have a Steam store, Epic store, EA Store, Ubi store, and GOG store (it's optional — thanks GOG!), I'd say it's not as baseless.

gigatexal 3y ago

If governments force Apple's hand so be it what can Apple do then, but if I could help it, I'd not want it to be opened up for 3rd parties.

Moldoteck 3y ago
why? id doesn't affect your freedom to use only appstore
- gigatexal 3y ago
  Because it opens the possibility for folks to get duped into installing something from a different app store that could lead to all sorts of problems. I am thinking about less sophisticated users like my boomer mom and aunts and uncles who if you're a nerd like me you're often the relied upon first line of tech support.
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    for them you can implement parental control if that's so important, or aple could just put a ton of warnings and dangers with big red cancel button and gray 'I want to continue button' with some additional warnings. In my experience, the second they see this messages, they'll exit the process
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  The coercion is the problem. You are free to buy any phone you want, but want to coerce other men into doing what you want. It’s immoral.
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    i'm not forcing you to sideload. It's immoral to not own your device fully, not being able to install what you want, even if it can hurt you if you don't have the skills is also immoral
    - a-user-you-like 3y ago
      [dead]
      - gigatexal 3y ago
        yeah if you want an open phone buy an android one and run an open os like grapheneOS
      - dang 3y ago
        We've banned this account for posting unubstantive and flamebait comments, and by all appearances trolling. Not cool. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - Moldoteck 3y ago
      @a-user-you-like yes, it's immoral, you guessed it right, just like many other things in this world but are still happening and I hold the same opinion with other systems, be that smartwatches, infotainmens car systems or any other stuff. I don't expect sideload/firmware replace to be safe/easy, but I expect to be able to do this on things I own

maratc 3y ago

No, as alternate stores will change the experience for everybody. I download 0 new apps per year, but I use WhatsApp, Outlook, and Google Maps. Today, I get them all from one store - one password to remember, one credit card to have, one stupid set of "security questions" to forget the answers. Tomorrow, Facebook AppStore will be the only place to get WhatsApp, Microsoft AppStore will be the only place to get Outlook, and Google AppStore will be the only place to get Google Maps, so I will need to download n app stores to get to where I am today. Create n accounts... accept n privacy policies... activate two-factor n times... Yeah, no, thank you but no. I'm pretty happy with the AppStore as it is, thank you very much.

MaKey 3y ago
Given that this scenario hasn't happened with Android, which allows sideloading, this argument seems like baseless fearmongering to me.
- throwaway45680 3y ago
  Play store allows basically anything (including obviously fake/scam/adware/spyware apps), there's nothing to be gained by doing this on Android, you'd lose an easy distribution mechanism that doesn't limit you, helps you gain victims and provides credibility - it's on top of Google then it must be good, right? Also consider the market share of iOS and Android. Why bother for such small amount of price sensitive users? iOS is another story entirely. The App Store has a lot of demands on the app developers wrt. UX, compatibility, etc; there's a lot of money to be saved (and faster time to market gained) by not publishing apps there. And then you can also bypass the security/privacy screening.
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    so you say there are no scam apps on appstore? Asking bc I've read a lot of articles abt scammy aps there and apple is doing nothing to kill these
- maratc 3y ago
  Given that this scenario has happened on the PC side of things, where I now need to have a Steam store, Epic store, EA Store, Ubi store, and GOG store (it's optional — thanks GOG!), I'd say it's not as baseless.