4 ms·

This reads like a modern retelling of the Stockholm syndrome and I cringe at this prevalent attitude on HN. If you do not have choice on the platform, you are

This reads like a modern retelling of the Stockholm syndrome and I cringe at this prevalent attitude on HN. If you do not have choice on the platform, you are in a prison. That is why it's called jailbreaking.

gigatexal 3y ago
Are you or folks that take this same tact marching on Microsoft and Sony with pitchforks to open up the OS and hardware for Xbox and PlayStation?
- sensanaty 3y ago
  How would that be a bad thing? All that would mean is users get the best of both worlds, so yes please.
- gigatexal 3y ago
  be it a good or bad thing aside it's not being clamored for yet Apple is being forced to because they're the largest company in the world. it's a double standard in thinking really and i just think folks should be consistent. i have an xbox one x, it does what it was designed to do and it does it well. I have a desktop computer i built. it was designed to run anything that runs on x86 and designed to be open. so i run linux. i love it. i just figure i use the tools as they were meant to be used. i am a bit inconsistent though ... i do support the asahi folks in their attempts at getting linux supported on m1 hardware. but they're not bemoaning apple's closed attitude to other operating systems on apple silicon they're taking more of the jailbreaker's approach of hacking their way in. more power to them. that's the rub i think. folks trying to use the courts or mobs to force the hand of a company to do a thing for hardware that was designed to be closed in the first place.
- DoItToMe81 3y ago
  A phone is not a game console, and the opening of the hardware would be good either way.
hyperbovine 3y ago
You do have a choice. Buy an Android phone.
- bratbag 3y ago
  And if I want the better UI that comes with Apple, why should your stockholm-syndrome keep me in prison with it?
  - FredPret 3y ago
    You want the Apple magic? You've got to drink the entire potion. It's all of a piece.
  - TheHappyOddish 3y ago
    Build it in Android then? I don't understand this 'I want what they have but I want them to change it for meeee' mindset. Everyone complaining appears to be a power user/hacker. Do it yourself then.
  - rahkiin 3y ago
    And I want a Siemens oven with a Bosch interface: some things you either make yourself or they are just not in the market. If you want a fully customizable phone: build your own on Linux
  - hyperbovine 3y ago
    Then buy the phone and accept the fact that life is full of hard choices. In a world filled with actual, important problems that need solving, I utterly fail to see why we should go whining to the government to intervene. The level of infantilism that surfaces whenever this topic comes up on HN astounds me.

gigatexal 3y ago

Are you or folks that take this same tact marching on Microsoft and Sony with pitchforks to open up the OS and hardware for Xbox and PlayStation?

sensanaty 3y ago
How would that be a bad thing? All that would mean is users get the best of both worlds, so yes please.
gigatexal 3y ago
be it a good or bad thing aside it's not being clamored for yet Apple is being forced to because they're the largest company in the world. it's a double standard in thinking really and i just think folks should be consistent. i have an xbox one x, it does what it was designed to do and it does it well. I have a desktop computer i built. it was designed to run anything that runs on x86 and designed to be open. so i run linux. i love it. i just figure i use the tools as they were meant to be used. i am a bit inconsistent though ... i do support the asahi folks in their attempts at getting linux supported on m1 hardware. but they're not bemoaning apple's closed attitude to other operating systems on apple silicon they're taking more of the jailbreaker's approach of hacking their way in. more power to them. that's the rub i think. folks trying to use the courts or mobs to force the hand of a company to do a thing for hardware that was designed to be closed in the first place.
DoItToMe81 3y ago
A phone is not a game console, and the opening of the hardware would be good either way.

hyperbovine 3y ago

You do have a choice. Buy an Android phone.

bratbag 3y ago
And if I want the better UI that comes with Apple, why should your stockholm-syndrome keep me in prison with it?
- FredPret 3y ago
  You want the Apple magic? You've got to drink the entire potion. It's all of a piece.
- TheHappyOddish 3y ago
  Build it in Android then? I don't understand this 'I want what they have but I want them to change it for meeee' mindset. Everyone complaining appears to be a power user/hacker. Do it yourself then.
- rahkiin 3y ago
  And I want a Siemens oven with a Bosch interface: some things you either make yourself or they are just not in the market. If you want a fully customizable phone: build your own on Linux
- hyperbovine 3y ago
  Then buy the phone and accept the fact that life is full of hard choices. In a world filled with actual, important problems that need solving, I utterly fail to see why we should go whining to the government to intervene. The level of infantilism that surfaces whenever this topic comes up on HN astounds me.