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well yeah it always is about protectionism and barrier to entry I find it interesting tho that they are not worried about competition between writers within th

well yeah it always is about protectionism and barrier to entry I find it interesting tho that they are not worried about competition between writers within the association, they will have members that decide for using assisted writing and being a lot more productive than others.

autoexec 3y ago
The point is that they can decide for themselves if using AI would benefit them and choose to use it or not Personally, I wonder how useful AI is going to be in terms of output over the long term. AI will endlessly regurgitate a mash up of what it was trained on in various flavors, but the output will all seem pretty samey after a while since it lacks actual originality. "This reads like something AI wrote" is something I see a lot of already. I'm sure there'll be writers who find it useful, but I don't see it being used for the bulk of their output. At least, I hope they don't just churn out scripts with AI, spend 5 minutes tweaking them, then call it day. I can't imagine that making great material.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  How is that any different than the way stories have always been told? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots
  - Kye 3y ago
    This is a writing tool. You're making the same mistake AI people do. You can create stuff that's like what came before all day, but it won't create anything new. Literary analysis, like these plots and the more common monomyth, is about what already exists, and lags far behind. It's the same deal with music theory. People will spend years in music school learning all kinds of stuff about music, but then they have no idea how to make anything anyone wants to listen to. Music theory as taught in schools is just catching up to jazz, rock, and rap, and there's a lot of resistance. An AI could probably do some solid analysis, like producing a beat sheet from a novel. That might be helpful. I could pants a draft, then have an AI make the outline for the second draft.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      Look at the top 10 movies released this year. Do any of them have a plot that you would consider it anything new?
      - Kye 3y ago
        I'm not a film analyst, so I can't say since I haven't done the work to analyze them.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        Not as a film analyst. Just as someone who has seen any of the popular movies that have been released recently. Which ones have had a plot that you walked out of in amazement and didn’t just employ the standard tropes? But that’s Sturgeons Law in a nutshell I guess
        Kye 3y ago
        My or your subjective perception of quality aren't really the topic here, are they? You swapped out the subject while you thought no one was looking. Bringing it back to the point: the movies are popular. You can't make a popular movie from a list of plots in one book built on one guy's subjective analysis. Anyone who's tried to hew too close to any plot formula finds this out. No actual plot out in the real world with any success has a plot that looks like any other. They're unique even if you can boil it down to some list of common plot beats by tossing what makes them unique. Doing that is fine for teaching a writing class to people who know nothing about writing yet and just need to get started. It won't produce anything good. Real plots branch and loop and evolve.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        Have you compared the plot of every single block buster superhero origin story? The standard “heroes chase after the MacGuffin device” story? They are called “tropes” for a reason. If you know the tropes you can pick them out very easily from almost any movie. Every transformers movie plot is basically the same as is every James Bond movie and Mission Impossible movie play to same story.

autoexec 3y ago

The point is that they can decide for themselves if using AI would benefit them and choose to use it or not Personally, I wonder how useful AI is going to be in terms of output over the long term. AI will endlessly regurgitate a mash up of what it was trained on in various flavors, but the output will all seem pretty samey after a while since it lacks actual originality. "This reads like something AI wrote" is something I see a lot of already. I'm sure there'll be writers who find it useful, but I don't see it being used for the bulk of their output. At least, I hope they don't just churn out scripts with AI, spend 5 minutes tweaking them, then call it day. I can't imagine that making great material.

scarface_74 3y ago
How is that any different than the way stories have always been told? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots
- Kye 3y ago
  This is a writing tool. You're making the same mistake AI people do. You can create stuff that's like what came before all day, but it won't create anything new. Literary analysis, like these plots and the more common monomyth, is about what already exists, and lags far behind. It's the same deal with music theory. People will spend years in music school learning all kinds of stuff about music, but then they have no idea how to make anything anyone wants to listen to. Music theory as taught in schools is just catching up to jazz, rock, and rap, and there's a lot of resistance. An AI could probably do some solid analysis, like producing a beat sheet from a novel. That might be helpful. I could pants a draft, then have an AI make the outline for the second draft.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Look at the top 10 movies released this year. Do any of them have a plot that you would consider it anything new?
    - Kye 3y ago
      I'm not a film analyst, so I can't say since I haven't done the work to analyze them.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        Not as a film analyst. Just as someone who has seen any of the popular movies that have been released recently. Which ones have had a plot that you walked out of in amazement and didn’t just employ the standard tropes? But that’s Sturgeons Law in a nutshell I guess
        Kye 3y ago
        My or your subjective perception of quality aren't really the topic here, are they? You swapped out the subject while you thought no one was looking. Bringing it back to the point: the movies are popular. You can't make a popular movie from a list of plots in one book built on one guy's subjective analysis. Anyone who's tried to hew too close to any plot formula finds this out. No actual plot out in the real world with any success has a plot that looks like any other. They're unique even if you can boil it down to some list of common plot beats by tossing what makes them unique. Doing that is fine for teaching a writing class to people who know nothing about writing yet and just need to get started. It won't produce anything good. Real plots branch and loop and evolve.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        Have you compared the plot of every single block buster superhero origin story? The standard “heroes chase after the MacGuffin device” story? They are called “tropes” for a reason. If you know the tropes you can pick them out very easily from almost any movie. Every transformers movie plot is basically the same as is every James Bond movie and Mission Impossible movie play to same story.