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Saying Factorio is fine and saying you're worried about first person shooters is contradictory. First person shooters may well breed the next gen of fighter pi

Saying Factorio is fine and saying you're worried about first person shooters is contradictory. First person shooters may well breed the next gen of fighter pilots or snipers. Or maybe they'll enhance someone's dadflex and save a child from incoming danger. If you say Factorio is fine, then you can't say anything else is any different.

iancmceachern 3y ago
Because of the problem solving nature of its gameplay. It's like chess, or any other strategic game. There is a big argument that they teach us things. Just like team sports. It teaches us life skills. I argue that Factorio teaches more directly applicable life skills to the average person. Most jobs now involve solving some kind of problem using creativity and clicking/typing on a computer. Yes there are corner cases where it's nice to be a ninja. But most of us click and type on a computer all day solving problems a computer can't. First person shooters can be automated quite easily and have been, playing factorio, chess, etc. Are different. Yes they can still be automated, but it's clearly a higher bar.
- deafpolygon 3y ago
  That's clearly a bias on your end. Factorio is no more of a problem-solving game than a first-person shooter is. There is a lot going on in a player's mind when playing FPS that may not be obvious, such as planning ahead, quick thinking and anticipating the opponents' movements. Those are also valuable skills that can be applied to many areas of life. Take Overwatch for example. There are role-based characters that fill a specific function in the game that require thinking, planning, and experience. It is also a team sport that teaches life skills. I do not see how automation can 'solve' that for you. It is not just purely finding the thing on the screen and clicking on it. They are not just solely twitch-based reactionary games. As with anything in life, too much chess/Factorio/etc. can also be detrimental. Balance is key.
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    Why are bots so readily available for nearly every FPS game? Why are there no bots for Factorio, etc?
    - deafpolygon 3y ago
      bots may help you aim, but they don't replace real skill at playing in a team. if you'd play an fps, you'd know that.
    - JambalayaJim 3y ago
      What’s the point of a bot for Factorio? It’a not multiplayer right?
      - fragmede 3y ago
        If you've not collaboratively built a Factorio factory, have you even lived?
        JambalayaJim 3y ago
        Cheating in a collaborative game seems even more pointless lol.
  - aodonnell2536 3y ago
    As an Overwatch player, I am in agreement with you, but don’t think is a fair comparison as Overwatch plays like a MOBA as much as it does an FPS. An FPS like Call of Duty rewards reaction speed much more and also demands much less team play and higher level strategy to succeed.
    - deafpolygon 3y ago
      I'm thinking back to the days of Unreal Tournament, when cheating was rampant during the end of its popularity. This game had an incredibly high skill ceiling compared to Call of Duty that it was night/day when you had a decent team of players that could communicate and cooperate. Either way, you can't paint a brush on "all FPS" being 'bad'. Just like games in the same vein as Factorio can become very repetitive and require less thinking and more "Just put this block to this block" level of repetitiveness.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >I argue that Factorio teaches more directly applicable life skills to the average person. If we're talking "average person", I think the benefits are minimal. Some white collar jobs involve creativity but not all. Even jobs that do will not allow you to express that creativity in your early years as you follow whatever instructions your boss gives you. they both involve thinking and planning and in-game knowledge and mastery to thrive in, but I don't think the benefits are really that comparable.
  - deafpolygon 3y ago
    In which case, thinking on your feet and fast reaction (skills more applicable to FPS) is probably the order of the day for those types of jobs.

iancmceachern 3y ago

Because of the problem solving nature of its gameplay. It's like chess, or any other strategic game. There is a big argument that they teach us things. Just like team sports. It teaches us life skills. I argue that Factorio teaches more directly applicable life skills to the average person. Most jobs now involve solving some kind of problem using creativity and clicking/typing on a computer. Yes there are corner cases where it's nice to be a ninja. But most of us click and type on a computer all day solving problems a computer can't. First person shooters can be automated quite easily and have been, playing factorio, chess, etc. Are different. Yes they can still be automated, but it's clearly a higher bar.

deafpolygon 3y ago
That's clearly a bias on your end. Factorio is no more of a problem-solving game than a first-person shooter is. There is a lot going on in a player's mind when playing FPS that may not be obvious, such as planning ahead, quick thinking and anticipating the opponents' movements. Those are also valuable skills that can be applied to many areas of life. Take Overwatch for example. There are role-based characters that fill a specific function in the game that require thinking, planning, and experience. It is also a team sport that teaches life skills. I do not see how automation can 'solve' that for you. It is not just purely finding the thing on the screen and clicking on it. They are not just solely twitch-based reactionary games. As with anything in life, too much chess/Factorio/etc. can also be detrimental. Balance is key.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  Why are bots so readily available for nearly every FPS game? Why are there no bots for Factorio, etc?
  - deafpolygon 3y ago
    bots may help you aim, but they don't replace real skill at playing in a team. if you'd play an fps, you'd know that.
  - JambalayaJim 3y ago
    What’s the point of a bot for Factorio? It’a not multiplayer right?
    - fragmede 3y ago
      If you've not collaboratively built a Factorio factory, have you even lived?
      - JambalayaJim 3y ago
        Cheating in a collaborative game seems even more pointless lol.
- aodonnell2536 3y ago
  As an Overwatch player, I am in agreement with you, but don’t think is a fair comparison as Overwatch plays like a MOBA as much as it does an FPS. An FPS like Call of Duty rewards reaction speed much more and also demands much less team play and higher level strategy to succeed.
  - deafpolygon 3y ago
    I'm thinking back to the days of Unreal Tournament, when cheating was rampant during the end of its popularity. This game had an incredibly high skill ceiling compared to Call of Duty that it was night/day when you had a decent team of players that could communicate and cooperate. Either way, you can't paint a brush on "all FPS" being 'bad'. Just like games in the same vein as Factorio can become very repetitive and require less thinking and more "Just put this block to this block" level of repetitiveness.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>I argue that Factorio teaches more directly applicable life skills to the average person. If we're talking "average person", I think the benefits are minimal. Some white collar jobs involve creativity but not all. Even jobs that do will not allow you to express that creativity in your early years as you follow whatever instructions your boss gives you. they both involve thinking and planning and in-game knowledge and mastery to thrive in, but I don't think the benefits are really that comparable.
- deafpolygon 3y ago
  In which case, thinking on your feet and fast reaction (skills more applicable to FPS) is probably the order of the day for those types of jobs.