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Having more choice means that in case you need them you can use these other choices, it doesn't mean you will have to explain to someone about all these differe

Having more choice means that in case you need them you can use these other choices, it doesn't mean you will have to explain to someone about all these different choices and how they work, your current explanation of how to download apps will still be valid. Also, these new choices will not impact the sandbox implementation of core iOS.

numlock86 3y ago
> Having more choice means that in case you need them you can use these other choices, it doesn't mean you will have to explain to someone about all these different choices and how they work, So you want to hide them from the user? Are they really choices then anymore? Or how would the user know that these are choices they can, if they want, ignore? "Hey mom, yeah, don't worry, just scroll past most of the 27 choices and pick the 16th one. That one turned out to be the one everyone uses, it's easiest to explain. Yes, the one between choice X and choice Y. Oh, wait that's Z for you? Hm, you must be on version C still. In version F it's the 16th one. Just tell me the last dozen ones. Hm, no. Oh, yeah, I guess that choice has not been added yet. I think it was part of update D that brought the other 3 choices. Yeah, sorry, guess you can't do it like everyone else then." Edit: I tried to over-dramatize this but it feels like a conversation about Android I had the other day now that I read it myself ...
- Scoring6931 3y ago
  Yes, that's perfectly reasonable. Or does Windows show a choice screen for you to choose your Web browser of choice? Surely not, they want you to use Edge. Still, one can use another browser easily.
  - numlock86 3y ago
    > Or does Windows show a choice screen for you to choose your Web browser of choice? It's funny you bring this as an argument as I constantly get asked about "the weird dialogue" when you install a third party browser. "What do I do? I don't understand." ... A great counter example to good choice actually.
  - master-lincoln 3y ago
    Funnily the EU mandated that Microsoft shows a dialog with browser choice for many years: https://readwrite.com/ec-imposes-731-million-fine-for-microsofts-technical-error/ https://readwrite.com/ec-imposes-731-million-fine-for-micros...
a-user-you-like 3y ago
Until everyone moved out of Apples store due to the Apple tax and you have to go explain to non-techies how to avoid spam and malware.
- malermeister 3y ago
  Google Play charges the same 30% and Android is already an open platform, yet this scenario hasn't happened. What makes you think this would be any different?
  - a-user-you-like 3y ago
    Maybe it won’t, but the larger point is that some are demanding freedom by coercing others to do their bidding. Let free men make free choices.
    - malermeister 3y ago
      Coercion is the way the world works. Right now we're being coerced by Apple, a megacorp with vastly more power than any of us individuals. The only way to fight it is by banding together and counter-coercing through our elected representatives.
      - a-user-you-like 3y ago
        Someone offering a product they’re free to make and you’re free to buy is not coercion. Forcing a man to make the product you want is.
        malermeister 3y ago
        It's not "a man", it's a billion dollar corporation and of course it coerces you through its market power.
        a-user-you-like 3y ago

numlock86 3y ago

> Having more choice means that in case you need them you can use these other choices, it doesn't mean you will have to explain to someone about all these different choices and how they work, So you want to hide them from the user? Are they really choices then anymore? Or how would the user know that these are choices they can, if they want, ignore? "Hey mom, yeah, don't worry, just scroll past most of the 27 choices and pick the 16th one. That one turned out to be the one everyone uses, it's easiest to explain. Yes, the one between choice X and choice Y. Oh, wait that's Z for you? Hm, you must be on version C still. In version F it's the 16th one. Just tell me the last dozen ones. Hm, no. Oh, yeah, I guess that choice has not been added yet. I think it was part of update D that brought the other 3 choices. Yeah, sorry, guess you can't do it like everyone else then." Edit: I tried to over-dramatize this but it feels like a conversation about Android I had the other day now that I read it myself ...

Scoring6931 3y ago
Yes, that's perfectly reasonable. Or does Windows show a choice screen for you to choose your Web browser of choice? Surely not, they want you to use Edge. Still, one can use another browser easily.
- numlock86 3y ago
  > Or does Windows show a choice screen for you to choose your Web browser of choice? It's funny you bring this as an argument as I constantly get asked about "the weird dialogue" when you install a third party browser. "What do I do? I don't understand." ... A great counter example to good choice actually.
- master-lincoln 3y ago
  Funnily the EU mandated that Microsoft shows a dialog with browser choice for many years: https://readwrite.com/ec-imposes-731-million-fine-for-microsofts-technical-error/ https://readwrite.com/ec-imposes-731-million-fine-for-micros...

a-user-you-like 3y ago

Until everyone moved out of Apples store due to the Apple tax and you have to go explain to non-techies how to avoid spam and malware.

malermeister 3y ago
Google Play charges the same 30% and Android is already an open platform, yet this scenario hasn't happened. What makes you think this would be any different?
- a-user-you-like 3y ago
  Maybe it won’t, but the larger point is that some are demanding freedom by coercing others to do their bidding. Let free men make free choices.
  - malermeister 3y ago
    Coercion is the way the world works. Right now we're being coerced by Apple, a megacorp with vastly more power than any of us individuals. The only way to fight it is by banding together and counter-coercing through our elected representatives.
    - a-user-you-like 3y ago
      Someone offering a product they’re free to make and you’re free to buy is not coercion. Forcing a man to make the product you want is.
      - malermeister 3y ago
        It's not "a man", it's a billion dollar corporation and of course it coerces you through its market power.
        a-user-you-like 3y ago