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Just because optional sideloading might create a mild inconvenience for you, you support the abusive policy that creates a huge problem for millions of users.

thebruce87m 3y ago
If we wanted sideloading we would have chosen a different phone. I looked at the market and chose the best phone for my needs.
shuckles 3y ago
What’s a killer sideloaded app on Android that iPhone users suffer from not having? Fortnite? I’m looking for problems on the scale of millions of users.
- Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
  Signal or Telegram in China. All those opposition apps that Apple readily removed from Russian AppStore at Putin's behest.
  - shuckles 3y ago
    Oppressive governments aren’t going to force Apple to allow side loading, so this isn’t really a meaningful example.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
      You are moving the goalposts. You asked what are killer sideloaded apps that users suffer from not having, I gave you examples, you started deflecting. Oppressive governments are not interested in sideloading, quite the opposite - they very happy with Apple's policies so far, as Apple readily removes any app that the governments asks them to remove.
      - shuckles 3y ago
        It's not moving the goalposts because "apps banned by the government" are not apps that will be available through side loading. If Apple complies with the DMA, it will certainly comply with any government requirement that side loading not allow for certain apps to be installed.
        Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
        This is nonsense. If the OS allows sideloading, users typically can install ANY app via sideloading. Like you can install telegram on your macOS in that very same China that bans it for iOS devices. Why? Because sideloading means no one has control what should work on device but the user. And this is essential if you live under the oppressive government.
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        shuckles 3y ago
        Again, I don’t know how I can make this clearer: macOS with a sealed system volume is plenty capable of keeping an app from running, ever. That Apple doesn’t enforce it is a concession to the history of the platform. It’s very unlikely they allow exemptions to notarizing on iOS, and the DMA doesn’t require it. DMA only requires that Apple allow apps to be distributed outside their App Store.
        Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
        If Apple even attempted to do whatever nonsense you're suggesting, their market share would plummet to zero very quickly. Users just won't accept not being able to use their devices as they see fit. All serious developers would leave and then all that left would be just an iPad with keyboard. And no platform ever survived without developers.
        shuckles 3y ago

thebruce87m 3y ago

If we wanted sideloading we would have chosen a different phone. I looked at the market and chose the best phone for my needs.

shuckles 3y ago

What’s a killer sideloaded app on Android that iPhone users suffer from not having? Fortnite? I’m looking for problems on the scale of millions of users.

Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
Signal or Telegram in China. All those opposition apps that Apple readily removed from Russian AppStore at Putin's behest.
- shuckles 3y ago
  Oppressive governments aren’t going to force Apple to allow side loading, so this isn’t really a meaningful example.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
    You are moving the goalposts. You asked what are killer sideloaded apps that users suffer from not having, I gave you examples, you started deflecting. Oppressive governments are not interested in sideloading, quite the opposite - they very happy with Apple's policies so far, as Apple readily removes any app that the governments asks them to remove.
    - shuckles 3y ago
      It's not moving the goalposts because "apps banned by the government" are not apps that will be available through side loading. If Apple complies with the DMA, it will certainly comply with any government requirement that side loading not allow for certain apps to be installed.
      - Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
        This is nonsense. If the OS allows sideloading, users typically can install ANY app via sideloading. Like you can install telegram on your macOS in that very same China that bans it for iOS devices. Why? Because sideloading means no one has control what should work on device but the user. And this is essential if you live under the oppressive government.
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        shuckles 3y ago
        Again, I don’t know how I can make this clearer: macOS with a sealed system volume is plenty capable of keeping an app from running, ever. That Apple doesn’t enforce it is a concession to the history of the platform. It’s very unlikely they allow exemptions to notarizing on iOS, and the DMA doesn’t require it. DMA only requires that Apple allow apps to be distributed outside their App Store.
        Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
        If Apple even attempted to do whatever nonsense you're suggesting, their market share would plummet to zero very quickly. Users just won't accept not being able to use their devices as they see fit. All serious developers would leave and then all that left would be just an iPad with keyboard. And no platform ever survived without developers.
        shuckles 3y ago