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> It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. What I really want is an up-to-date browser even if iO

> It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. What I really want is an up-to-date browser even if iOS stops being supported on an old phone of mine. (And they seem to be dropping support faster, what with iOS 17 not supporting the iPhone X — introduced in 2017 — without any legitimate hardware reason.) It's ridiculous that Safari and the underlying WebKit engine only get updated with every accompanying iOS release.

bsimpson 3y ago
That's the biggest problem with Chromebooks (or at least was the last time I used one). The thing becomes useless as soon as it stops getting updates, because your browser doesn't get new features and gets locked out of various parts of the internet as time matches on without you. On any other computer, you can keep the browser up to date long after the OS stops receiving patches.
- robocat 3y ago
  "Chromebooks will get 10 years of automatic updates": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37510865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37510865
  - bsimpson 3y ago
    Glad to hear it. Not sure why I'm getting downvoted. The Chromebook Pixel was an awesome home computer until it stopped getting OS updates, which also pinned it on a version of Chrome that got obsoleted from the web. (Unlike IE, nobody cares if something works in old Chrome, and some sites actively reject old versions for security reasons.)
zuhsetaqi 3y ago
> The iOS and iPadOS 16.7 update covers all devices that could run version 16, including older stuff like the iPhone 8, iPhone X, and first-gen iPad Pro that can't be upgraded to version 17. In a couple of months, if precedent holds, newer devices will have to upgrade to keep getting security fixes, while iOS 16 updates will continue to support older devices for at least another year. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/ios-16-7-arrives-for-older-iphones-and-people-who-dont-want-to-upgrade/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/ios-16-7-arrives-for... Could you update to iOS 16.7 and check which Safari version it uses? Would be interesting to know. On macOS you can already install the newest Safari version even when running 3 year old macOS.
- layer8 3y ago
  Like with all “built-in” iOS apps, mobile Safari versions have always been tied to the iOS version. It would be big news if Apple was going to change that (quite unlikely). MacOS is a very different story.

bsimpson 3y ago

That's the biggest problem with Chromebooks (or at least was the last time I used one). The thing becomes useless as soon as it stops getting updates, because your browser doesn't get new features and gets locked out of various parts of the internet as time matches on without you. On any other computer, you can keep the browser up to date long after the OS stops receiving patches.

robocat 3y ago
"Chromebooks will get 10 years of automatic updates": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37510865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37510865
- bsimpson 3y ago
  Glad to hear it. Not sure why I'm getting downvoted. The Chromebook Pixel was an awesome home computer until it stopped getting OS updates, which also pinned it on a version of Chrome that got obsoleted from the web. (Unlike IE, nobody cares if something works in old Chrome, and some sites actively reject old versions for security reasons.)

zuhsetaqi 3y ago

> The iOS and iPadOS 16.7 update covers all devices that could run version 16, including older stuff like the iPhone 8, iPhone X, and first-gen iPad Pro that can't be upgraded to version 17. In a couple of months, if precedent holds, newer devices will have to upgrade to keep getting security fixes, while iOS 16 updates will continue to support older devices for at least another year. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/ios-16-7-arrives-for-older-iphones-and-people-who-dont-want-to-upgrade/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/ios-16-7-arrives-for... Could you update to iOS 16.7 and check which Safari version it uses? Would be interesting to know. On macOS you can already install the newest Safari version even when running 3 year old macOS.

layer8 3y ago
Like with all “built-in” iOS apps, mobile Safari versions have always been tied to the iOS version. It would be big news if Apple was going to change that (quite unlikely). MacOS is a very different story.