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There was general strike in Oakland today with all the local businesses closed down and they organized a rally. People got up, admitted they were Progressives a

There was general strike in Oakland today with all the local businesses closed down and they organized a rally. People got up, admitted they were Progressives and that they were wrong about the ideals of rehabilitation instead of punishment. I think Trump polarizing left vs right caused this knee jerk reaction of Progressives to push harder on no cash bail policies, restorative justice, etc.. Being tough on crime does not equal being a fan of Trump. It means you want people to take responsibility for their actions by being removed from society for a predetermined time.

reverius42 3y ago
> no cash bail policies This has nothing to do with Trump or right-vs-left. Cash bail is simply a privilege that those with money enjoy (to not go to jail while awaiting trial), that those without money don't. Perhaps some have suggested that in order to right this wrong, everyone should get free bail, but I think it would work equally well to hold everyone awaiting trial in jail (no bail).
- Master_Odin 3y ago
  There's also the issue that some number of people tossed into jail are there on suspect evidence and later exonerated, and then in the meantime, they lose their job, miss payments on stuff so it gets repossessed, and suffer inhumane conditions. Good luck to them to then struggle to get their life back on track.
- didntcheck 3y ago
  Most other countries manage without going to the extreme of no bail or universal bail, yet manage it with no money involved
  - reverius42 3y ago
    I like how every possible solution involving treating poor folks equally to rich folks under the law is an "extreme".
- prepend 3y ago
  Cash bail has problems, as you point out, but it seems like “never cash bail” seems like a poor absolute. No cash bail makes sense for first offenses, but if someone has a second, third, or 10th arrest while still awaiting trial bail should keep going up. There’s a difference between someone being wrongly arrested for shoplifting and losing their job and custody of kids because they didn’t have $500 and someone being arrested 5 times in a week for the same crime.
  - reverius42 3y ago
    Ok, then like I said, make it no bail (stay in jail) instead of free bail.
aurareturn 3y ago
I agree. Since Trump, blue areas swung too blue and red areas swung too red.
- onetokeoverthe 3y ago
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hnaccount141 3y ago
> People got up, admitted they were Progressives and that they were wrong about the ideals of rehabilitation instead of punishment. People asked for rehabilitation instead of punishment. All politicians did was stop punishing (some) property crimes and call it progress. No meaningful attempt at building a rehabilitative system was ever made.

reverius42 3y ago

> no cash bail policies This has nothing to do with Trump or right-vs-left. Cash bail is simply a privilege that those with money enjoy (to not go to jail while awaiting trial), that those without money don't. Perhaps some have suggested that in order to right this wrong, everyone should get free bail, but I think it would work equally well to hold everyone awaiting trial in jail (no bail).

Master_Odin 3y ago
There's also the issue that some number of people tossed into jail are there on suspect evidence and later exonerated, and then in the meantime, they lose their job, miss payments on stuff so it gets repossessed, and suffer inhumane conditions. Good luck to them to then struggle to get their life back on track.
didntcheck 3y ago
Most other countries manage without going to the extreme of no bail or universal bail, yet manage it with no money involved
- reverius42 3y ago
  I like how every possible solution involving treating poor folks equally to rich folks under the law is an "extreme".
prepend 3y ago
Cash bail has problems, as you point out, but it seems like “never cash bail” seems like a poor absolute. No cash bail makes sense for first offenses, but if someone has a second, third, or 10th arrest while still awaiting trial bail should keep going up. There’s a difference between someone being wrongly arrested for shoplifting and losing their job and custody of kids because they didn’t have $500 and someone being arrested 5 times in a week for the same crime.
- reverius42 3y ago
  Ok, then like I said, make it no bail (stay in jail) instead of free bail.

aurareturn 3y ago

I agree. Since Trump, blue areas swung too blue and red areas swung too red.

onetokeoverthe 3y ago
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hnaccount141 3y ago

> People got up, admitted they were Progressives and that they were wrong about the ideals of rehabilitation instead of punishment. People asked for rehabilitation instead of punishment. All politicians did was stop punishing (some) property crimes and call it progress. No meaningful attempt at building a rehabilitative system was ever made.