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You're advocating against v8 monopoly, where no one is forcing it down on anyone, by holding a candle to the actual enforced monopoly of WebKit? Where's consume

You're advocating against v8 monopoly, where no one is forcing it down on anyone, by holding a candle to the actual enforced monopoly of WebKit? Where's consumer choice in this and how about having an actual choice dictate what is used and what isn't? Let me quote from a familiar case: "Antitrust laws ensure one company doesn't control the market, deplete consumer choice, and inflate prices. Microsoft was accused of trying to create a monopoly that led to the collapse of rival Netscape by giving its browser software for free."

wyre 3y ago
Years of propaganda and throttled data from Google to use Chrome doesn’t give a lot of real consumer choice. Even now there’s programmers only product testing in Chrome that makes some web services not work in anything but Chrome.
- ElFitz 3y ago
  Some even display a pop up telling you to please go install Chrome if you want to use their B2B SaaS service your company just purchased.
  - earthnail 3y ago
    To be fair, in some niche cases that’s the only thing that works. Complex WebAudio applications, for example.
    - ElFitz 3y ago
      I was thinking of something along the lines of "payroll management". But otherwise yes, there probably are some special, advanced, use cases.
whizzter 3y ago
Consumers chooses iPhones (and indirectly Safari), yes the bundling has some bad effects. But in the bigger picture it's currently really the only thing keeping developers somewhat true to making cross-browser sites working for Firefox users, since the Firefox devs has a larger chance of keeping up with what works on ChromeEdge+Safari rather than keeping up with the ChromeEdge pace alone, do you really trust Google (and MS) not to abuse things if FF and Safari became irrelevant?
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  In the early days of Safari after OS X became popular, there was a second wave of "Works best on IE" from OS X web developers who generally only tested on Safari. Let's not pretend that Safari's raison d'être is to protect consumers from Google's browser.
breakfastduck 3y ago
webkit is not a monopoly. look at browser share across all devices.
- Keyframe 3y ago
  On iOS it's 100%. Don't confuse Safari, the browser, with WebKit which all browsers on iOS are forced to use, including Chrome.
Entalpi 3y ago
Customer choices can still lead to monopolies..

wyre 3y ago

Years of propaganda and throttled data from Google to use Chrome doesn’t give a lot of real consumer choice. Even now there’s programmers only product testing in Chrome that makes some web services not work in anything but Chrome.

ElFitz 3y ago
Some even display a pop up telling you to please go install Chrome if you want to use their B2B SaaS service your company just purchased.
- earthnail 3y ago
  To be fair, in some niche cases that’s the only thing that works. Complex WebAudio applications, for example.
  - ElFitz 3y ago
    I was thinking of something along the lines of "payroll management". But otherwise yes, there probably are some special, advanced, use cases.

whizzter 3y ago

Consumers chooses iPhones (and indirectly Safari), yes the bundling has some bad effects. But in the bigger picture it's currently really the only thing keeping developers somewhat true to making cross-browser sites working for Firefox users, since the Firefox devs has a larger chance of keeping up with what works on ChromeEdge+Safari rather than keeping up with the ChromeEdge pace alone, do you really trust Google (and MS) not to abuse things if FF and Safari became irrelevant?

FireBeyond 3y ago
In the early days of Safari after OS X became popular, there was a second wave of "Works best on IE" from OS X web developers who generally only tested on Safari. Let's not pretend that Safari's raison d'être is to protect consumers from Google's browser.

breakfastduck 3y ago

webkit is not a monopoly. look at browser share across all devices.

Keyframe 3y ago
On iOS it's 100%. Don't confuse Safari, the browser, with WebKit which all browsers on iOS are forced to use, including Chrome.

Entalpi 3y ago

Customer choices can still lead to monopolies..