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Jailing the shoplifter doesn't do one iota of good when it's an organized crime ring. They'll swap somebody new in without so much as a hitch. This is a case
by bsder 3y ago
Jailing the shoplifter doesn't do one iota of good when it's an organized crime ring. They'll swap somebody new in without so much as a hitch.
This is a case where the FBI needs to put some old-fashioned boots on the ground and rip the rings, themselves, apart.
- fragmede 3y agoFenced By Amazon (FBA) is an Amazon program where thieves send stolen goods to Amazon and Amazon gives them money. The FBI has no chance of taking every "ring", consisting of a thief with an Amazon account, down.
- wkat4242 3y agoWell then they have to work with Amazon to stop it.
- bsder 3y agoI believe that "Receiving Stolen Goods" already qualifies as a criminal activity. Pawn shops have sets of laws that apply to them in order to prevent them from being fences for stolen goods. Do those same laws not apply to Amazon?
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- anon373839 3y ago> Jailing the shoplifter doesn't do one iota of good when it's an organized crime ring Not true. First, attaching penalties to the theft will reduce the pool of willing thieves. Second, under threat of prosecution, the thieves can turn on their handlers and cooperate with investigators. But when the law states that there are no consequences for theft, there is also no incentive to do this.
- bsder 3y ago> Not true. First, attaching penalties to the theft will reduce the pool of willing thieves. You say this, but Prohibition and the Drug War both provide direct counter-evidence to that statement. There is always someone desperate enough to be on the bottom rungs of criminal organizations. You reduce organized crime by taking out the leaders.
- citrin_ru 3y agoProhibition driven alcohol prices up and risk of prosecution was compensated by high profit. For fenced goods there is an upper bound - the price in supermarket / online.
- t0suj4 3y agoOrganized crime during prohibition was there because there was demand and someone willing to risk it for money. Demand for cheaper (stolen) goods was always there and the risk was significantly lowered so a lot of thieves took that opportunity to make some money. Whether someone chooses the path of crime out of desperation depends on one's culture. If the crime organization has an hierarchy then it might be easier to take out the leaders.
- prepend 3y ago> You reduce organized crime by taking out the leaders. You take out the leaders by arresting the weakest link and working up. You may enjoy watching The Wire. Aside from being maybe the best tv show ever, they go deeply how to take out organized crime (and the societal issues driving crime).
- reverius42 3y ago> when the law states that there are no consequences for theft What law, in what jurisdiction, states this?
- prepend 3y agoHere’s an article from San Francisco [0]. > Under current state law, shoplifting merchandise valued under $950 is considered a misdemeanor and often not investigated. The law classifies it as a misdemeanor. Police aren’t investigating and prosecutors aren’t prosecuting. So it’s an issue of enforcing law vs technically having a law. Cities can individually choose to change this and deter shoplifting by prosecuting this as misdemeanors can still have up to a year in jail. [0] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/shoplifting-san-francisco/3209672/ https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/shoplifting-san-fr...
- janalsncm 3y agoOr, hear me out: caning. You might think it’s barbaric, and if not done correctly it is. Done properly it is a safe punishment which would dramatically reduce recidivism. You might not mind going to prison twice. You will definitely mind getting caned twice.
- aurareturn 3y agoDo it in a semi-public place as well. But no cameras. Make it embarrassing. No criminal record. No jail time, which costs a lot of money to tax payers. Just an ass whooping.
- prepend 3y agoThere could be some value in having an overweight mall cop caning someone and having that pinned perpetually to their TikTok profile. “#iwasarrestedbypaulblartandmustincludethishashtagforever”
- polski-g 3y agoGiven that only 300 people (specific individuals, not "poor people") commit a third of all property crimes in NYC: yes it makes a huge difference: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/15/nyregion/shoplifting-arrests-nyc.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/15/nyregion/shoplifting-arre... Incapacitate 300 people and reduce crime by 33%? What a deal!