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The AltStore apps I've installed are pretty reliable

by myko 3y ago

highwayman47 3y ago
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- idle_zealot 3y ago
  It's a pain in the ass to use, and some permissions are still locked to Apple's first party apps.
  - shuckles 3y ago
    It's really funny that there are hackers arguing sincerely that software freedom is worth any price but think it's a "pain in the ass" to press a couple buttons for software freedom once a week (or annually, for $99).
    - nrabulinski 3y ago
      Why should I pay for what should be a basic right?
      - shuckles 3y ago
        Being able to run self-signed software for more than a week at a time without pressing a button to renew your signature is a basic right?
        idle_zealot 3y ago
        Being able to run the software you want on a computer you own is a right, yes.
        shuckles 3y ago
        You can already do that with a free developer account.
    - eviks 3y ago
      It's only funny in your trivialized dismissal that ignores the other 99% of users those hackers might care about (also "pain" and "worth it" aren't contradictory)
      - shuckles 3y ago
        Hackers do not care about 99% of users, as evidenced by the fact that Apple created the most popular and accessible consumer software in history, not hackers. You make a reasonable point that the poster didn’t imply painfulness made the Altstore not worthwhile for them personally.
        eviks 3y ago
        What is your evidence that caring is enough to build the most popular global business?
        shuckles 3y ago
        iOS was popular far before it was a dominant global business. It was probably one of the most popular software projects of all time even in its first version. iPod and iTunes Store were probably more popular than any project ever built by hackers. Why haven’t hackers, who care about 99% of users, ever been able to make software those users care to use? What private API stands between hackers and epiphany?
    - dns_snek 3y ago
      That's a disgusting perversion of the word "freedom" -- being beholden to corporation's whims, having to dance to their tune and jump through their hoops is what you unironically call "software freedom"?
      - shuckles 3y ago
        Huh? I use my phone to take photos and read. No hoop jumping or dancing for Apple required.
        dns_snek 3y ago
        Well you argued that paying Apple $100/year to install software of your choice on a device that you supposedly own constitutes "software freedom". I argue that this is perversion of the word "freedom" considering it's neither free as beer, nor free as speech. Ultimately you're still forced to ask Apple for permission to run your "sideloaded" app, and they can deny that request for any reason. "Software freedom" that you mockingly refer to is just a slightly longer leash inside the confines of their walled garden.
        a-user-you-like 3y ago
        [flagged]
        dns_snek 3y ago
        I'm merely pointing out that there is no "software freedom" in Apple's ecosystem, just an illusion of one, and even that's locked behind a steep fee. tldr (which is apparently needed); don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.
        a-user-you-like 3y ago
        [flagged]
        shuckles 3y ago
    - ffgjgf1 3y ago
      It’s not particularly funny that some people don’t understand that what you just described is still very far from “software freedom”, though
      - shuckles 3y ago
        I just want an operating system free from the types of capabilities attractive to sanctimonious, user-hostile crusaders who have strong opinions about software freedom. I keep a laptop collecting dust with a half-broken install of Arch when I want to experience their paradise.
        Apocryphon 3y ago
        Making iOS more like macOS (which seems contrary to the current trajectory of the platforms) does not mean turning it into a half-broken install of Arch.
- eitland 3y ago
  That it requires rooting and rooting means my banking app stops working AFAIK.
- faeriechangling 3y ago
  Apple goes out of their way to make it time consuming and annoying enough to use that most people won't bother using it, and the alt store has substantial restrictions compared to the App Store.
- myko 3y ago
  It costs me $99/yr to pay Apple for the privilege of using it to install apps on my own devices

The AltStore apps I've installed are pretty reliable

by myko 3y ago

The AltStore apps I've installed are pretty reliable

highwayman47 3y ago

[flagged]

idle_zealot 3y ago
It's a pain in the ass to use, and some permissions are still locked to Apple's first party apps.
- shuckles 3y ago
  It's really funny that there are hackers arguing sincerely that software freedom is worth any price but think it's a "pain in the ass" to press a couple buttons for software freedom once a week (or annually, for $99).
  - nrabulinski 3y ago
    Why should I pay for what should be a basic right?
    - shuckles 3y ago
      Being able to run self-signed software for more than a week at a time without pressing a button to renew your signature is a basic right?
      - idle_zealot 3y ago
        Being able to run the software you want on a computer you own is a right, yes.
        shuckles 3y ago
        You can already do that with a free developer account.
  - eviks 3y ago
    It's only funny in your trivialized dismissal that ignores the other 99% of users those hackers might care about (also "pain" and "worth it" aren't contradictory)
    - shuckles 3y ago
      Hackers do not care about 99% of users, as evidenced by the fact that Apple created the most popular and accessible consumer software in history, not hackers. You make a reasonable point that the poster didn’t imply painfulness made the Altstore not worthwhile for them personally.
      - eviks 3y ago
        What is your evidence that caring is enough to build the most popular global business?
        shuckles 3y ago
        iOS was popular far before it was a dominant global business. It was probably one of the most popular software projects of all time even in its first version. iPod and iTunes Store were probably more popular than any project ever built by hackers. Why haven’t hackers, who care about 99% of users, ever been able to make software those users care to use? What private API stands between hackers and epiphany?
  - dns_snek 3y ago
    That's a disgusting perversion of the word "freedom" -- being beholden to corporation's whims, having to dance to their tune and jump through their hoops is what you unironically call "software freedom"?
    - shuckles 3y ago
      Huh? I use my phone to take photos and read. No hoop jumping or dancing for Apple required.
      - dns_snek 3y ago
        Well you argued that paying Apple $100/year to install software of your choice on a device that you supposedly own constitutes "software freedom". I argue that this is perversion of the word "freedom" considering it's neither free as beer, nor free as speech. Ultimately you're still forced to ask Apple for permission to run your "sideloaded" app, and they can deny that request for any reason. "Software freedom" that you mockingly refer to is just a slightly longer leash inside the confines of their walled garden.
        a-user-you-like 3y ago
        [flagged]
        dns_snek 3y ago
        I'm merely pointing out that there is no "software freedom" in Apple's ecosystem, just an illusion of one, and even that's locked behind a steep fee. tldr (which is apparently needed); don't piss on me and tell me it's raining.
        a-user-you-like 3y ago
        [flagged]
        shuckles 3y ago
  - ffgjgf1 3y ago
    It’s not particularly funny that some people don’t understand that what you just described is still very far from “software freedom”, though
    - shuckles 3y ago
      I just want an operating system free from the types of capabilities attractive to sanctimonious, user-hostile crusaders who have strong opinions about software freedom. I keep a laptop collecting dust with a half-broken install of Arch when I want to experience their paradise.
      - Apocryphon 3y ago
        Making iOS more like macOS (which seems contrary to the current trajectory of the platforms) does not mean turning it into a half-broken install of Arch.
eitland 3y ago
That it requires rooting and rooting means my banking app stops working AFAIK.
faeriechangling 3y ago
Apple goes out of their way to make it time consuming and annoying enough to use that most people won't bother using it, and the alt store has substantial restrictions compared to the App Store.
myko 3y ago
It costs me $99/yr to pay Apple for the privilege of using it to install apps on my own devices