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iOS isn’t as sandboxed as they claim. From IOKit to getifaddrs() to file system APIs, there are straightforward ways to uniquely identify a device — and I’m su

iOS isn’t as sandboxed as they claim. From IOKit to getifaddrs() to file system APIs, there are straightforward ways to uniquely identify a device — and I’m sure someone who actually works in this space can think of quite a few more. Hell, even if you make it a hard problem and sandbox every possible source of unique information about the device, I’m sure Google would be happy to throw ML engineers at identifying users via impossible-to-obscure user information (keyboard timings, accelerometer readings, etc). Preventing misuse of PII requires a policy/legal solution, not a technical one.

grishka 3y ago
That's the thing, all these holes need to be identified and plugged up. Google, despite being a data-hungry targeted advertising company, did a fairly good job at this in recent Android versions. Or, a much, much simpler solution: an application firewall built into the system. With downloadable easily shareable rulesets. No matter what an app collects, it's all worthless if it can't send that back to advertisers. We already do that for websites by using ad blockers.
- catiopatio 3y ago
  You really, truly, cannot close all the holes necessary to prevent fingerprinting while still providing a useful general purpose OS. You especially cannot achieve this while providing third parties access to what has traditionally been vendor-only API on mobile devices; e.g. to support third-party app stores. This simply is not solvable through technical means. It must be solved through policy and law.
- nemothekid 3y ago
  >No matter what an app collects, it's all worthless if it can't send that back to advertisers. We already do that for websites by using ad blockers. Using an application firewall to prevent the facebook app from sending tracking data backing to facebook?
  - grishka 3y ago
    Facebook app can, of course, send its tracking data back to Facebook, but it will only be able to track what you do within Facebook itself. That's fair and that can't be prevented. I'm talking specifically about cross-app and cross-site tracking.

grishka 3y ago

That's the thing, all these holes need to be identified and plugged up. Google, despite being a data-hungry targeted advertising company, did a fairly good job at this in recent Android versions. Or, a much, much simpler solution: an application firewall built into the system. With downloadable easily shareable rulesets. No matter what an app collects, it's all worthless if it can't send that back to advertisers. We already do that for websites by using ad blockers.

catiopatio 3y ago
You really, truly, cannot close all the holes necessary to prevent fingerprinting while still providing a useful general purpose OS. You especially cannot achieve this while providing third parties access to what has traditionally been vendor-only API on mobile devices; e.g. to support third-party app stores. This simply is not solvable through technical means. It must be solved through policy and law.
nemothekid 3y ago
>No matter what an app collects, it's all worthless if it can't send that back to advertisers. We already do that for websites by using ad blockers. Using an application firewall to prevent the facebook app from sending tracking data backing to facebook?
- grishka 3y ago
  Facebook app can, of course, send its tracking data back to Facebook, but it will only be able to track what you do within Facebook itself. That's fair and that can't be prevented. I'm talking specifically about cross-app and cross-site tracking.