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This sort of comment is incredibly low value and doesn't contribute to the discussion. I'm not being forced to install Facebook, but I choose to install it on

This sort of comment is incredibly low value and doesn't contribute to the discussion. I'm not being forced to install Facebook, but I choose to install it on my device. When this changes happens, the choice isn't going to be "install Facebook from the App Store or the Meta Store", it's going to be "install Facebook from the Meta Store". That's not a choice to the user, it's a choice for meta. A choice for the user is choosing to buy an iPhone with the knowledge that this is a limitation, and if I don't want that limitation, I can buy an android device.

smoldesu 3y ago
> This sort of comment is incredibly low value and doesn't contribute to the discussion. We're 4 comments deep on a thread of people worried about Facebook being removed from the App Store. Reminding everyone that Meta is optional might be the most rational thing typed in response to this godforsaken article.
- nemothekid 3y ago
  >Reminding everyone that Meta is optional Installing Meta is optional, but somehow buying an iPhone isn't.
  - smoldesu 3y ago
    Buying an iPhone is optional, living in an anticompetitive digital market is not. I hope you and the European iPhone users can reconcile that.
Moldoteck 3y ago
The user can choose to not install fb from another store if they care about privacy, simply as that, user decides what's in their phone
- maccard 3y ago
  The user has that choice right now to not install it from the App Store if that's their preference.
  - Moldoteck 3y ago
    yep, user can choose to do what they want, including installing apps from third party or viceversa - not installing an app that doesn't respect their privacy/values
    - maccard 3y ago
      You're deliberately avoiding my point and my preferences. I want to use Meta's services, play Genshin Impact, and use microsoft apps on windows. I want to manage my subscriptions via the app store. I bought an iOS device _knowing_ that was the setup. We've seen this change with uPlay, battle.net, epic launcher on PC. Users don't get "more choice", we live with the rules the developer sets out for us. I _want_ to be on a platform where the developer sets standards for payment handling, authentication options. I don't want to have to provide my payment deatils to Genshin's app store, but I do want to pay them. Stop telling me that I will have a choice when I have already made a choice, and _you_ want something different.
      - redeeman 3y ago
        and now you're gonna have to live by the rules the law say. same as in any other circumstance. Someone else can come and say "but i want to sideload meta and Y and Z, but still use an iphone!". Sure, both are choices, and MAYBE mutually exclusive. I will then side with the one that is most free. In this case thankfully regulation seems to aswell
redeeman 3y ago
you should be free to opt into a walled garden, but you shouldnt be forcing everyone to do so to play
- maccard 3y ago
  That goes both ways - you shouldn't force other people to play by your rules ifyou want to play in their garden.

smoldesu 3y ago

> This sort of comment is incredibly low value and doesn't contribute to the discussion. We're 4 comments deep on a thread of people worried about Facebook being removed from the App Store. Reminding everyone that Meta is optional might be the most rational thing typed in response to this godforsaken article.

nemothekid 3y ago
>Reminding everyone that Meta is optional Installing Meta is optional, but somehow buying an iPhone isn't.
- smoldesu 3y ago
  Buying an iPhone is optional, living in an anticompetitive digital market is not. I hope you and the European iPhone users can reconcile that.

Moldoteck 3y ago

The user can choose to not install fb from another store if they care about privacy, simply as that, user decides what's in their phone

maccard 3y ago
The user has that choice right now to not install it from the App Store if that's their preference.
- Moldoteck 3y ago
  yep, user can choose to do what they want, including installing apps from third party or viceversa - not installing an app that doesn't respect their privacy/values
  - maccard 3y ago
    You're deliberately avoiding my point and my preferences. I want to use Meta's services, play Genshin Impact, and use microsoft apps on windows. I want to manage my subscriptions via the app store. I bought an iOS device _knowing_ that was the setup. We've seen this change with uPlay, battle.net, epic launcher on PC. Users don't get "more choice", we live with the rules the developer sets out for us. I _want_ to be on a platform where the developer sets standards for payment handling, authentication options. I don't want to have to provide my payment deatils to Genshin's app store, but I do want to pay them. Stop telling me that I will have a choice when I have already made a choice, and _you_ want something different.
    - redeeman 3y ago
      and now you're gonna have to live by the rules the law say. same as in any other circumstance. Someone else can come and say "but i want to sideload meta and Y and Z, but still use an iphone!". Sure, both are choices, and MAYBE mutually exclusive. I will then side with the one that is most free. In this case thankfully regulation seems to aswell

redeeman 3y ago

you should be free to opt into a walled garden, but you shouldnt be forcing everyone to do so to play

maccard 3y ago
That goes both ways - you shouldn't force other people to play by your rules ifyou want to play in their garden.