4 ms·

> iOS is a fantastic operating system. iPhone and iPad are stellar hardware with brilliant physical UX. Apple Watch is leagues beyond anything else in its class

> iOS is a fantastic operating system. iPhone and iPad are stellar hardware with brilliant physical UX. Apple Watch is leagues beyond anything else in its class. I will keep buying Apple stuff until I can't anymore. People want Apple’s quality, reliability and performance, but also want no restrictions so they can run any app and install anything. Those things aren’t compatible. E.g., Windows and Linux (Desktop distros) don’t have many restrictions. But they can be unreliable.

jacquesm 3y ago
It's mostly a matter of how much you can throw at it in terms of resources. If there was a five dollar charge for every Linux kernel running you could have all of those and you'd probably still have cash left over.
LeoNatan25 3y ago
Yes, let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room, and jump to Windows and Linux to straw-man an argument. There are “no restrictions”, one can “install anything” and “run any app” on that, and still it is … “reliable”? But actually both Windows and Linux are “reliable” too. Windows is much, much stable in terms of backwards compatibility than macOS and certainly iOS. Linux is so reliable that it runs about 99.9% of the server, appliance and mobile world. Windows has lost its design forte (peaked in Windows 7), but so has Apple’s claim on design. macOS is a mishmash of OK, bad and worse, as is iOS.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room The worst experiences on macOS come from companies with enough clout to piss on the standard mechanisms. Installing their BS installers, having "updaters" to run on the background, not shipping a DMG or PKG, asking you to disable the SIP, never bothering to update to newer APIs, not using the Mac App Store, and so on... (and it's usually some of the more expensive software)
  - LeoNatan25 3y ago
    Like on a possible iOS future, “don’t support what you don’t want to support”. You have the choice. Unlike current iOS, where some boogie-man chose for you.
    - coldtea 3y ago
      That's like "having the choice" to decide how to defend and protect yourself in a shithole city of competing kingpins and anarchy (the bad kind, not the theory of government) in the streets, vs having a police.
  - Apocryphon 3y ago
    Well, given that mobile is a much newer platform, and a lot more regulatory scrutiny than desktop, perhaps the itchy regulators at the EU and the current FTC might be predisposed to go after those companies, especially since most of them are already in their crosshairs for other misdeeds. I don't think regulators are going to be asleep at the wheel and just let Meta force users to use a Facebook store stuffed with trackers. Not to mention, what if Apple still exerted influence over alternative app stores by providing the SDK and certified security/privacy standards for them to build them? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37667144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37667144
    - LeoNatan25 3y ago
      Facebook’s shady coding in the past was all using sanctioned APIs, including the VPN it was using to spy on teens. With a private store also goes the static analysis of private API usage, which can enable software some looser restrictions (but not much, as some fear—most stuff is protected for at the kernel level).
      - Apocryphon 3y ago
        Maybe static analysis can be imposed at the OS level, like macOS notarization? https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/notarizing_macos_software_before_distribution https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/notarizin... I don't think the regulators are going to mandate that Apple not retain any consumer-protecting mechanisms.
- shuckles 3y ago
  Calling Windows reliable and saying professionals manage to keep Linux servers running does not help your argument.
  - LeoNatan25 3y ago
    I’ve been using Windows for 25 years now. Please don’t lecture me about its reliability, especially in the last 15 years. I’m also having a weekly kernel panic on my M1 Max Mac, a sight unseen on any of my Windows machines for more than a decade, even when using beta nVidia drivers.
    - shuckles 3y ago
      Presumably someone who uses beta graphics drivers and reasons from personal anecdotes is not a good judge of the reliability of a mass market operating system for the average consumer.
      - brokenmachine 3y ago
        My Windows and Linux boxes have been stable for the 25 years I've been using them too. But what do I know, I'm just a personal anecdote.
        shuckles 3y ago
        Correct. And given you have a Linux box, a very unrepresentative one at that.
      - tester756 3y ago
        Oh yea, go ahead then and tell us how it is What is that "real" reliability (or lack) of Windows.
kibwen 3y ago
> Those things aren’t compatible. Presented entirely without evidence.
- quickco 3y ago
  See the very next sentence.

jacquesm 3y ago

It's mostly a matter of how much you can throw at it in terms of resources. If there was a five dollar charge for every Linux kernel running you could have all of those and you'd probably still have cash left over.

LeoNatan25 3y ago

Yes, let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room, and jump to Windows and Linux to straw-man an argument. There are “no restrictions”, one can “install anything” and “run any app” on that, and still it is … “reliable”? But actually both Windows and Linux are “reliable” too. Windows is much, much stable in terms of backwards compatibility than macOS and certainly iOS. Linux is so reliable that it runs about 99.9% of the server, appliance and mobile world. Windows has lost its design forte (peaked in Windows 7), but so has Apple’s claim on design. macOS is a mishmash of OK, bad and worse, as is iOS.

coldtea 3y ago
>let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room The worst experiences on macOS come from companies with enough clout to piss on the standard mechanisms. Installing their BS installers, having "updaters" to run on the background, not shipping a DMG or PKG, asking you to disable the SIP, never bothering to update to newer APIs, not using the Mac App Store, and so on... (and it's usually some of the more expensive software)
- LeoNatan25 3y ago
  Like on a possible iOS future, “don’t support what you don’t want to support”. You have the choice. Unlike current iOS, where some boogie-man chose for you.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    That's like "having the choice" to decide how to defend and protect yourself in a shithole city of competing kingpins and anarchy (the bad kind, not the theory of government) in the streets, vs having a police.
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  Well, given that mobile is a much newer platform, and a lot more regulatory scrutiny than desktop, perhaps the itchy regulators at the EU and the current FTC might be predisposed to go after those companies, especially since most of them are already in their crosshairs for other misdeeds. I don't think regulators are going to be asleep at the wheel and just let Meta force users to use a Facebook store stuffed with trackers. Not to mention, what if Apple still exerted influence over alternative app stores by providing the SDK and certified security/privacy standards for them to build them? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37667144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37667144
  - LeoNatan25 3y ago
    Facebook’s shady coding in the past was all using sanctioned APIs, including the VPN it was using to spy on teens. With a private store also goes the static analysis of private API usage, which can enable software some looser restrictions (but not much, as some fear—most stuff is protected for at the kernel level).
    - Apocryphon 3y ago
      Maybe static analysis can be imposed at the OS level, like macOS notarization? https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/notarizing_macos_software_before_distribution https://developer.apple.com/documentation/security/notarizin... I don't think the regulators are going to mandate that Apple not retain any consumer-protecting mechanisms.
shuckles 3y ago
Calling Windows reliable and saying professionals manage to keep Linux servers running does not help your argument.
- LeoNatan25 3y ago
  I’ve been using Windows for 25 years now. Please don’t lecture me about its reliability, especially in the last 15 years. I’m also having a weekly kernel panic on my M1 Max Mac, a sight unseen on any of my Windows machines for more than a decade, even when using beta nVidia drivers.
  - shuckles 3y ago
    Presumably someone who uses beta graphics drivers and reasons from personal anecdotes is not a good judge of the reliability of a mass market operating system for the average consumer.
    - brokenmachine 3y ago
      My Windows and Linux boxes have been stable for the 25 years I've been using them too. But what do I know, I'm just a personal anecdote.
      - shuckles 3y ago
        Correct. And given you have a Linux box, a very unrepresentative one at that.
    - tester756 3y ago
      Oh yea, go ahead then and tell us how it is What is that "real" reliability (or lack) of Windows.

kibwen 3y ago

> Those things aren’t compatible. Presented entirely without evidence.

quickco 3y ago
See the very next sentence.