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Who decided the iPhone is a general-purpose computing device?
by sbuk 3y ago
Who decided the iPhone is a general-purpose computing device?
- grishka 3y agoApple did, with their marketing.
- Apocryphon 3y agoApple did for iPads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S5BLs51yDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S5BLs51yDQ https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/16/ipad-pro-whats-a-computer-ad/ https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/16/ipad-pro-whats-a-computer-ad/
- nouveaux 3y agoI have a different take on the ad. The ad is saying that computer is the obsolete experience, not that the iPad can do everything a computer can do. If Apple truely believed that, they would not have a mac line up. For a certain demographic of people, I would agree. I continue to push the iPad for my aging parents because it can do what they need to do without my tech support. They don't need all the flexibility of a computer as a general purpose computing device. They just need to browse the web, write emails and watch videos, and the iPad is perfect for them.
- chmod775 3y agoObligatory: https://youtu.be/jCb-WcxO5SU?t=52 https://youtu.be/jCb-WcxO5SU?t=52
- shuckles 3y agoThat ad says literally the opposite of what you claim: the iPad is NOT a computer.
- Apocryphon 3y agoCorrect, because it fulfills the ability to generally compute despite not being a computer. It is an evolutionary replacement.
- shuckles 3y agoYou are reading text that is not present in the ad.
- Apocryphon 3y agoI am reading the subtext. Pray I don’t read it further.
- shuckles 3y agoAre you threatening me with more evidence that your close text readings are bogus?
- Apocryphon 3y agoPlease, I do not threaten; I promise.
- shuckles 3y agoHuh? I don’t see any further close readings. Empty promises.
- Apocryphon 3y agoLooks like you need to learn how to read text that is not present in my post.
- smoldesu 3y agoHere is the proof that the iPad is a computer: https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/ https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/specs/ Any questions, or do you still want to whinge over how "turing completeness isn't computation!"? You're welcome to it, but quite obviously the Digital Markets Act has nothing to do with it. Apple would be a designated gatekeeper if they sold Cuisinart blenders, now they have to cope or leave the relevant markets. It's truly shocking to me how some people are willing to write multiple pages of comments in response to this. Half the people in this thread are replying to every positive comment they can find crying "Atlas Shrugged!" like bloody murder.
- smoldesu 3y agoThe EU did, by qualifying Apple as a services gatekeeper on iPhone: 1. An undertaking shall be designated as a gatekeeper if: (a) it has a significant impact on the internal market; (b) it provides a core platform service which is an important gateway for business users to reach end users; and (c) it enjoys an entrenched and durable position, in its operations, or it is foreseeable that it will enjoy such a position in the near future. https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32022R1925 https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A...
- sbuk 3y agoNone of those indicates whether a device is a general-purpose computer.
- kibwen 3y agoEverything that I purchase that contains a CPU should be within my power to run arbitrary code upon. Seriously, what site are we even on right now?
- labcomputer 3y agoThe very same site where a significant number of users argue, completely seriously, that game consoles are not general purpose computing devices and, as such, should not be subject to the same rules.
- grishka 3y agoI'd define the "general purposeness" by the public availability of an official SDK. Video game consoles are strange because there's no agreement whether they are appliances or not. Most of them also have unofficial public SDKs. Heck, some people would even say that routers are general purpose computing devices and install a custom OS on theirs.
- wpm 3y agoApple's SDKs are "public" in the sense that you can go read them, but if you want to ship anything with them on iOS, you need a paid developer account, right? I wouldn't call that public.
- sircastor 3y agoGiven the context, I’m guessing what you want is to run arbitrary code on an OS that manages the battery, the network, the display, audio in and out, provide a security apparatus... You want all of the benefits of the well-managed, walled garden. Or did you mean just running ARM Assembly?
- smoldesu 3y ago> I’m guessing what you want is to run arbitrary code on an OS that manages the battery, the network, the display, audio in and out, provide a security apparatus... You want all of the benefits of the well-managed, walled garden. ...or a sufficently advanced browser :p (and people wonder why MacOS is loaded with lazy Electron ports...) Distributing software should be free, ignoring the cost of transmitting the information and storing it on the client. Apple's pricing is arbitrary, and their defense of it is unsubstantiated. Forcing the App Store to compete is the only natural step forward for Apple, whether they (or their shareholders) want to admit it or not.
- CamperBob2 3y agoGuy named Turing. It was a while back, though.
- sircastor 3y agoIt can be argued (I think effectively) that we don’t know how to make non-general purpose computers. We can kind of fake it by putting blocking software in the way, but you can’t have math that only works when the data isn’t copyrighted.