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Every time a new MacOS version is announced the 1Password staff must be all sitting around praying Apple doesn't add any more bells and whistles to Keychain.

runjake 3y ago
I think this is one reason why 1Password is pivoting to enterprise.
hatuthecat 3y ago
This was the release that got me to migrate from 1P to Keychain. Keychain finally has enough features and the 1P’s browser extension has been finicky for me and the UX of 1P8’s desktop app feels like a considerable downgrade from 7.
- felixfbecker 3y ago
  Can Keychain store anything that's not passwords yet? I like using 1Passwords for all sorts of stuff like SSN, drivers license, passport details, membership details, SSH keys etc
  - bloggie 3y ago
    I use the apple notes app with the lock feature for this. And sometimes without the lock feature.
  - hoorible 3y ago
    I don’t see that happening tbh, since they made Secure Notes for this purpose which (i would assume they believe) offers a better experience than storing not-logins with logins. Secure Notes offer the same level of security as the keychain IIRC.
  - jweir 3y ago
    Yes, you can create a "New Secure Note Item"
    - nytesky 3y ago
      Is this in Passwords or the Notes app? I tried Notes app with the Lock but it requires another password while I want it all under the FaceID/iCloud password like the settings-passwords Is there a secure note option in passwords - mine all require username web url and password.
      - _rs 3y ago
        You might have to check your settings. Previously there was a separate password for Notes, but now there is an option to keep it tied to your account's password
      - jweir 3y ago
        it is the Keychain Access app
    - nytesky 3y ago
      Oh that’s only on MacOs not iOS, right?
      - jweir 3y ago
        I am pretty sure it is limited to the desktop OS.
  - stalfosknight 3y ago
    Yes, it can. You can store Secure Notes in your keychain with Keychain Access on macOS.
- movedx 3y ago
  I can't use Keychain on Windows, I assume?
  - dhaya 3y ago
    You can: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-windows/icw2babf5e03/icloud https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-windows/icw2bab...
  - hoorible 3y ago
    You can now https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/icloud-windows/icw2babf5e03/icloud https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/icloud-windows/icw2bab...
  - johnwalkr 3y ago
    As others said, you can in chrome, but it's not as smooth as in iOS and MacOS as it only works in Chrome, and doesn't work in apps (like steam or other game launchers).
    - ask_b123 3y ago
      Wait, using it on a Mac let's it fill passwords from apps like Steam?
kylehotchkiss 3y ago
In Safari, keychain and 1password certainly are fighting harder for my attention than they have in the past. I want to use a workflow where passkeys live in iCloud and normal login pairs live in 1Password. 1Password's passkeys implementation is a nice way to keep keychain from being the only player in the game but I like how much faster they work stored inside of the OS better.
- kraig 3y ago
  Really the only thing keeping me from going all in on keychain is the lack of a UI for the times when it doesn’t autocomplete or I need a password in terminal or something. I’d pay for something that provided a global hotkey and an interface that isn’t nested in Settings.
  - jahewson 3y ago
    The keychain app gets you out of settings, though leaves much to be desired.
    - josephg 3y ago
      Yeah - I’ve never understood why I need to type my user password twice to reveal a keychain password. It’s really annoying.
- robbiep 3y ago
  Am I right in that keychain only really works in safari? Or are there recent changes?
  - kylehotchkiss 3y ago
    Apple made a chrome plugin to allow usage of iCloud Keychain passkeys in Chrome but not sure how well it works: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/icloud-passwords/pejdijmoenmkgeppbflobdenhhabjlaj https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/icloud-passwords/p...
Condition1952 3y ago
It’s a matter of time that they get sherlocked
ianlevesque 3y ago
They started with a huge advantage and squandered it with a buggy cloud subscription model and an electron downgrade. Their fate is their own at this point.
- supertron 3y ago
  Agreed, sadly 1Password's biggest threat is themselves at this point, not Keychain.
diebeforei485 3y ago
I believe Apple offered to acquire them but they chose to go the VC money route instead, adding features for corporate customers.
KerrAvon 3y ago
I doubt they care about Mac customers. If they did, they would have avoided ruining the app's UI so that customers don't have a good reason to jump ship at the first opportunity.
- bombcar 3y ago
  They only really care about enterprise customers as is pretty obvious, but they haven’t QUITE made it crappy enough for me to bother switching to keychain entirely.
- jwells89 3y ago
  The new UI is such a downgrade. It took the app from feeling well made to feeling like your average bloaty SaaS app. I’m gonna have to figure out an alternative once 1PW 7 is no longer supported.
  - appplication 3y ago
    Keychain is… not that bad. It works for almost all passwords/general use cases. It definitely is feature-lite compared to dedicated password managers, but it makes that up in integrations if you’re primarily in the Apple ecosystem.
  - xctr94 3y ago
    For the past year or so I thought I was being silly for feeing the 1P has gotten so clunky. Now I get it. I had no idea they had migrated to Electron, but the app is much shittier. It can’t even remember which window size I’ve set it to, and prefers to reopen in whatever size it wants. (We’re a business customer.)
  - amjnsx 3y ago
    I don't mind the UI on Mac so much as weird bugs where the chrome extension doesn't always work and I need to quit and restart. The iPad app UI is far more frustrating to use, mainly because the search function is hidden behind a down scroll now. I'm keeping an eye on Proton at the moment as I use their email and they do have a password manager offering.
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threatofrain 3y ago
Consumer password management companies compete on the multi-device angle, including Android and Windows. That's not something Apple's going to touch for awhile. Apple is also certainly not going to touch the more enterprise aspects of password management.
chakintosh 3y ago
I've been using Keychain for years now, and it's the only password manager a regular user will ever need imo.
dewey 3y ago
That's why they switched to focus on Enterprise customers a while ago. It's all about being a secret store for Kubernetes and other deployments now. I doubt they lose a lot of sleep over personal licenses and the loud group of people complaining about the non-native macOS UI (Including myself there).
sleepless 3y ago
1Password overdid it a while ago for me and I switched to KeePassXC. It is certainly not as polished as 1Password but the developer team is very responsive and since I started using it, especially on macOS, things have improved a lot already. It is a pleasure to watch things evolve and Passkey support is the next big thing that will be added. Compared to Keychain Access, KeePassXC works cross platform and I need that, since my devices are cross platform. Also helps to avoid vendor lock-in.

runjake 3y ago

I think this is one reason why 1Password is pivoting to enterprise.

hatuthecat 3y ago

This was the release that got me to migrate from 1P to Keychain. Keychain finally has enough features and the 1P’s browser extension has been finicky for me and the UX of 1P8’s desktop app feels like a considerable downgrade from 7.

felixfbecker 3y ago
Can Keychain store anything that's not passwords yet? I like using 1Passwords for all sorts of stuff like SSN, drivers license, passport details, membership details, SSH keys etc
- bloggie 3y ago
  I use the apple notes app with the lock feature for this. And sometimes without the lock feature.
- hoorible 3y ago
  I don’t see that happening tbh, since they made Secure Notes for this purpose which (i would assume they believe) offers a better experience than storing not-logins with logins. Secure Notes offer the same level of security as the keychain IIRC.
- jweir 3y ago
  Yes, you can create a "New Secure Note Item"
  - nytesky 3y ago
    Is this in Passwords or the Notes app? I tried Notes app with the Lock but it requires another password while I want it all under the FaceID/iCloud password like the settings-passwords Is there a secure note option in passwords - mine all require username web url and password.
    - _rs 3y ago
      You might have to check your settings. Previously there was a separate password for Notes, but now there is an option to keep it tied to your account's password
    - jweir 3y ago
      it is the Keychain Access app
  - nytesky 3y ago
    Oh that’s only on MacOs not iOS, right?
    - jweir 3y ago
      I am pretty sure it is limited to the desktop OS.
- stalfosknight 3y ago
  Yes, it can. You can store Secure Notes in your keychain with Keychain Access on macOS.
movedx 3y ago
I can't use Keychain on Windows, I assume?
- dhaya 3y ago
  You can: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-windows/icw2babf5e03/icloud https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/icloud-windows/icw2bab...
- hoorible 3y ago
  You can now https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/icloud-windows/icw2babf5e03/icloud https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/icloud-windows/icw2bab...
- johnwalkr 3y ago
  As others said, you can in chrome, but it's not as smooth as in iOS and MacOS as it only works in Chrome, and doesn't work in apps (like steam or other game launchers).
  - ask_b123 3y ago
    Wait, using it on a Mac let's it fill passwords from apps like Steam?

kylehotchkiss 3y ago

In Safari, keychain and 1password certainly are fighting harder for my attention than they have in the past. I want to use a workflow where passkeys live in iCloud and normal login pairs live in 1Password. 1Password's passkeys implementation is a nice way to keep keychain from being the only player in the game but I like how much faster they work stored inside of the OS better.

kraig 3y ago
Really the only thing keeping me from going all in on keychain is the lack of a UI for the times when it doesn’t autocomplete or I need a password in terminal or something. I’d pay for something that provided a global hotkey and an interface that isn’t nested in Settings.
- jahewson 3y ago
  The keychain app gets you out of settings, though leaves much to be desired.
  - josephg 3y ago
    Yeah - I’ve never understood why I need to type my user password twice to reveal a keychain password. It’s really annoying.
robbiep 3y ago
Am I right in that keychain only really works in safari? Or are there recent changes?
- kylehotchkiss 3y ago
  Apple made a chrome plugin to allow usage of iCloud Keychain passkeys in Chrome but not sure how well it works: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/icloud-passwords/pejdijmoenmkgeppbflobdenhhabjlaj https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/icloud-passwords/p...

Condition1952 3y ago

It’s a matter of time that they get sherlocked

ianlevesque 3y ago

They started with a huge advantage and squandered it with a buggy cloud subscription model and an electron downgrade. Their fate is their own at this point.

supertron 3y ago
Agreed, sadly 1Password's biggest threat is themselves at this point, not Keychain.

diebeforei485 3y ago

I believe Apple offered to acquire them but they chose to go the VC money route instead, adding features for corporate customers.

KerrAvon 3y ago

I doubt they care about Mac customers. If they did, they would have avoided ruining the app's UI so that customers don't have a good reason to jump ship at the first opportunity.

bombcar 3y ago
They only really care about enterprise customers as is pretty obvious, but they haven’t QUITE made it crappy enough for me to bother switching to keychain entirely.
jwells89 3y ago
The new UI is such a downgrade. It took the app from feeling well made to feeling like your average bloaty SaaS app. I’m gonna have to figure out an alternative once 1PW 7 is no longer supported.
- appplication 3y ago
  Keychain is… not that bad. It works for almost all passwords/general use cases. It definitely is feature-lite compared to dedicated password managers, but it makes that up in integrations if you’re primarily in the Apple ecosystem.
- xctr94 3y ago
  For the past year or so I thought I was being silly for feeing the 1P has gotten so clunky. Now I get it. I had no idea they had migrated to Electron, but the app is much shittier. It can’t even remember which window size I’ve set it to, and prefers to reopen in whatever size it wants. (We’re a business customer.)
- amjnsx 3y ago
  I don't mind the UI on Mac so much as weird bugs where the chrome extension doesn't always work and I need to quit and restart. The iPad app UI is far more frustrating to use, mainly because the search function is hidden behind a down scroll now. I'm keeping an eye on Proton at the moment as I use their email and they do have a password manager offering.

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threatofrain 3y ago

Consumer password management companies compete on the multi-device angle, including Android and Windows. That's not something Apple's going to touch for awhile. Apple is also certainly not going to touch the more enterprise aspects of password management.

chakintosh 3y ago

I've been using Keychain for years now, and it's the only password manager a regular user will ever need imo.

dewey 3y ago

That's why they switched to focus on Enterprise customers a while ago. It's all about being a secret store for Kubernetes and other deployments now. I doubt they lose a lot of sleep over personal licenses and the loud group of people complaining about the non-native macOS UI (Including myself there).

sleepless 3y ago

1Password overdid it a while ago for me and I switched to KeePassXC. It is certainly not as polished as 1Password but the developer team is very responsive and since I started using it, especially on macOS, things have improved a lot already. It is a pleasure to watch things evolve and Passkey support is the next big thing that will be added. Compared to Keychain Access, KeePassXC works cross platform and I need that, since my devices are cross platform. Also helps to avoid vendor lock-in.