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Does this apply to PlayStations, Xbox, Nintendos, etc?

by olliej 3y ago

Dah00n 3y ago
There's always one like you.
- SpaceManNabs 3y ago
  Is it not a valid question? Very curious.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    If it weren't valid, the previous commenter would attack the question, not the person writing the question.
- deleted 3y ago
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- nickthegreek 3y ago
  I hope there are a lot more like him. How dare we have consistency in our legislation!
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
Logically, probably. They may choose to change their operations based on this ruling because they could expect a similar ruling against them in the future. I would personally expect them to continue operating as they do until/unless there is a such a ruling.
andersa 3y ago
Those are not considered general purpose computing devices under the current legislation, so no. It's currently targeted at mobile phones.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  Isn't this going to try and turn iPhones into general purpose computing devices? Currently they're much more locked down than that.
  - andersa 3y ago
    People already use their phones for everything in our modern society, so they have simply declared them to be that, regardless of what Apple thinks about it. Even if I'd personally like it, I don't think the same argument makes much sense for a PS5 - when have you last used it to order groceries or new furniture? Apple would love to get a cut of those purchases, by the way. Starting by dealing with the devices that have the highest impact on the largest number of people, due to a runaway capitalistic empire trying to add an additional tax to everything that vaguely gets near it, has a higher chance of actually succeeding.
    - ribosometronome 3y ago
      >when have you last used it to order groceries or new furniture? Apple would love to get a cut of those purchases, by the way. You can, though. There's no particularly convenient way to do most of those things, but that's largely because of manufacturer limitations. Nothing stopping you from using the browser on your Switch to go do instacart.com, tho. >Starting by dealing with the devices that have the highest impact on the largest number of people Why would this need to be addressed so singularly? Is that how the EU approaches most problems? It seems pretty sensible that they'd just regulate computing devices to allow for this sort of thing and then be able to pretty easily bring into compliance any who don't. Isn't that more or less what they did with the GDPR? It seems like regulating this would be even easier as non-compliance would be entirely visible to the consumer.
      - andersa 3y ago
        > Why would this need to be addressed so singularly? I don't know, I didn't write the law. They must have thought this is the better approach to start with. Perhaps they consider fighting one gigacorp at a time to be easier. After all, Apple has been left to grow unchecked until became larger than many countries. Sure wish the US would just handle Apple the same way China has handled Alibaba growing too large. One can dream, right? For context, they basically just said "you had your fun, it's over" and forcibly split the company in many smaller ones under new leadership.
EtienneK 3y ago
No idea why you’re getting downvoted. It’s a valid question.
wmal 3y ago
Not (yet). This is the current list of gatekeepers and their services: https://digital-markets-act-cases.ec.europa.eu/gatekeepers https://digital-markets-act-cases.ec.europa.eu/gatekeepers
ThatPlayer 3y ago
If they get declared a gatekeeper, yes. Until then it doesn't apply. I'm not sure they meet the requirements of being a gatekeeper. One of the requirements for example is 45 million monthly active users in the EU. According to Microsoft, Xbox is only at 4 million: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/account-billing/information-on-average-monthly-active-recipients-of-service-in-the-european-union-0515c3e5-e0c9-4471-9e11-cdbe2bb2f4c3 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/account-billing/informat... Playstation and Nintendo might be more popular, but 10x more popular? Even the Switch has only sold 6x the Xbox Series consoles.

Does this apply to PlayStations, Xbox, Nintendos, etc?

by olliej 3y ago

Does this apply to PlayStations, Xbox, Nintendos, etc?

Dah00n 3y ago

There's always one like you.

SpaceManNabs 3y ago
Is it not a valid question? Very curious.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  If it weren't valid, the previous commenter would attack the question, not the person writing the question.
deleted 3y ago
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nickthegreek 3y ago
I hope there are a lot more like him. How dare we have consistency in our legislation!

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago

Logically, probably. They may choose to change their operations based on this ruling because they could expect a similar ruling against them in the future. I would personally expect them to continue operating as they do until/unless there is a such a ruling.

andersa 3y ago

Those are not considered general purpose computing devices under the current legislation, so no. It's currently targeted at mobile phones.

robertlagrant 3y ago
Isn't this going to try and turn iPhones into general purpose computing devices? Currently they're much more locked down than that.
- andersa 3y ago
  People already use their phones for everything in our modern society, so they have simply declared them to be that, regardless of what Apple thinks about it. Even if I'd personally like it, I don't think the same argument makes much sense for a PS5 - when have you last used it to order groceries or new furniture? Apple would love to get a cut of those purchases, by the way. Starting by dealing with the devices that have the highest impact on the largest number of people, due to a runaway capitalistic empire trying to add an additional tax to everything that vaguely gets near it, has a higher chance of actually succeeding.
  - ribosometronome 3y ago
    >when have you last used it to order groceries or new furniture? Apple would love to get a cut of those purchases, by the way. You can, though. There's no particularly convenient way to do most of those things, but that's largely because of manufacturer limitations. Nothing stopping you from using the browser on your Switch to go do instacart.com, tho. >Starting by dealing with the devices that have the highest impact on the largest number of people Why would this need to be addressed so singularly? Is that how the EU approaches most problems? It seems pretty sensible that they'd just regulate computing devices to allow for this sort of thing and then be able to pretty easily bring into compliance any who don't. Isn't that more or less what they did with the GDPR? It seems like regulating this would be even easier as non-compliance would be entirely visible to the consumer.
    - andersa 3y ago
      > Why would this need to be addressed so singularly? I don't know, I didn't write the law. They must have thought this is the better approach to start with. Perhaps they consider fighting one gigacorp at a time to be easier. After all, Apple has been left to grow unchecked until became larger than many countries. Sure wish the US would just handle Apple the same way China has handled Alibaba growing too large. One can dream, right? For context, they basically just said "you had your fun, it's over" and forcibly split the company in many smaller ones under new leadership.

EtienneK 3y ago

No idea why you’re getting downvoted. It’s a valid question.

wmal 3y ago

Not (yet). This is the current list of gatekeepers and their services: https://digital-markets-act-cases.ec.europa.eu/gatekeepers https://digital-markets-act-cases.ec.europa.eu/gatekeepers

ThatPlayer 3y ago

If they get declared a gatekeeper, yes. Until then it doesn't apply. I'm not sure they meet the requirements of being a gatekeeper. One of the requirements for example is 45 million monthly active users in the EU. According to Microsoft, Xbox is only at 4 million: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/account-billing/information-on-average-monthly-active-recipients-of-service-in-the-european-union-0515c3e5-e0c9-4471-9e11-cdbe2bb2f4c3 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/account-billing/informat... Playstation and Nintendo might be more popular, but 10x more popular? Even the Switch has only sold 6x the Xbox Series consoles.