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> I really wish there was a native FUSE alternative on macOS Isn’t that what DriverKit can be used for? https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/security/secd0a4

> I really wish there was a native FUSE alternative on macOS Isn’t that what DriverKit can be used for? https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/security/secd0a47c14c https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/security/secd0a47c14c: “DriverKit is the framework that allows developers to create device drivers that the user installs on their Mac. Drivers built with DriverKit run in user space, rather than as kernel extensions, for improved system security and stability. This makes for easier installation and increases the stability and security of macOS“

lxgr 3y ago
It seems like the only two types of drivers are generic USB device drivers and HID input drivers, though. There needs to be some OS-side FUSE-like kernel interface for userspace drivers like this to be able to actually mount them in the VFS.
- glasshug 3y ago
  https://developer.apple.com/documentation/fileprovider https://developer.apple.com/documentation/fileprovider perhaps?
  - lxgr 3y ago
    File Providers are useful in some scenarios, but they are also not really a FUSE equivalent. They're more geared towards Dropbox-like synchronizing use cases. Some developers have made it work for SSHFS too, but even that's already a bit of a stretch; for more custom solutions it definitely falls short: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681325 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681325 The only option currently seems to be to implement a network file server such as SMB (which is what Google Drive used to do before File Providers existed!) or NFS, for which there even is a FUSE bridge available: https://github.com/macos-fuse-t/fuse-t https://github.com/macos-fuse-t/fuse-t
    - nose-wuzzy-pad 3y ago
      It's unfortunate that fuse-t follows the same closed source model as MacFUSE did. It's really holding things back. I was hopeful that Ganesha NFS [1] would suffice as a bridge for the various FUSE filesystems I need to use with macOS, but alas, they have abandoned the FUSE interface and moved to FSAL/FSAL_VFS [2]. It would be really nice to have a clear path to building a copy of Ganesha NFS that supported a whole host of the great FUSE filesystems out there built to this API. [1] https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha [2] https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha/issues/759 https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha/issues/759
      - jlokier 3y ago
        Watch out for for the Mac SMB client. I found a bug in several MacOS versions which causes the SMB client to send an incorrect file handle in some file requests, causing random files to be deleted which are unrelated to the files you're operating on: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37345855 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37345855 If you've ever had a suspicion about files on an SMB share going missing, occasionally, when there's been a Mac client using the share, this does indeed happen.
    - ianlevesque 3y ago
      I honestly worry Apple will remember NFS exists at some point and delete that too. File Providers is so limiting.
      - lxgr 3y ago
        Me too – I actually only found out it was still around (and not just around, but even supporting v4!) when I looked at fuse-t as an alternative to macFUSE.
      - FullyFunctional 3y ago
        That's a scary thought, I depend on mounting NFSv4 files systems. I'm not sure SMB is a replacement, almost certainly wouldn't be as performant [on 10/100 GbE networks].
- bnastic 3y ago
  Don't know if it counts, but RME Audio are now providing drivers for their pro audio gear via DriverKit instead of the ole kext. Installed yesterday, works just fine (modulo checking forums if any widespread issues)

lxgr 3y ago

It seems like the only two types of drivers are generic USB device drivers and HID input drivers, though. There needs to be some OS-side FUSE-like kernel interface for userspace drivers like this to be able to actually mount them in the VFS.

glasshug 3y ago
https://developer.apple.com/documentation/fileprovider https://developer.apple.com/documentation/fileprovider perhaps?
- lxgr 3y ago
  File Providers are useful in some scenarios, but they are also not really a FUSE equivalent. They're more geared towards Dropbox-like synchronizing use cases. Some developers have made it work for SSHFS too, but even that's already a bit of a stretch; for more custom solutions it definitely falls short: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681325 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/681325 The only option currently seems to be to implement a network file server such as SMB (which is what Google Drive used to do before File Providers existed!) or NFS, for which there even is a FUSE bridge available: https://github.com/macos-fuse-t/fuse-t https://github.com/macos-fuse-t/fuse-t
  - nose-wuzzy-pad 3y ago
    It's unfortunate that fuse-t follows the same closed source model as MacFUSE did. It's really holding things back. I was hopeful that Ganesha NFS [1] would suffice as a bridge for the various FUSE filesystems I need to use with macOS, but alas, they have abandoned the FUSE interface and moved to FSAL/FSAL_VFS [2]. It would be really nice to have a clear path to building a copy of Ganesha NFS that supported a whole host of the great FUSE filesystems out there built to this API. [1] https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha [2] https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha/issues/759 https://github.com/nfs-ganesha/nfs-ganesha/issues/759
    - jlokier 3y ago
      Watch out for for the Mac SMB client. I found a bug in several MacOS versions which causes the SMB client to send an incorrect file handle in some file requests, causing random files to be deleted which are unrelated to the files you're operating on: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37345855 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37345855 If you've ever had a suspicion about files on an SMB share going missing, occasionally, when there's been a Mac client using the share, this does indeed happen.
  - ianlevesque 3y ago
    I honestly worry Apple will remember NFS exists at some point and delete that too. File Providers is so limiting.
    - lxgr 3y ago
      Me too – I actually only found out it was still around (and not just around, but even supporting v4!) when I looked at fuse-t as an alternative to macFUSE.
    - FullyFunctional 3y ago
      That's a scary thought, I depend on mounting NFSv4 files systems. I'm not sure SMB is a replacement, almost certainly wouldn't be as performant [on 10/100 GbE networks].
bnastic 3y ago
Don't know if it counts, but RME Audio are now providing drivers for their pro audio gear via DriverKit instead of the ole kext. Installed yesterday, works just fine (modulo checking forums if any widespread issues)