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How many nascent search engines do you reckon exist? Can my personal search engine be listed as an option?

smoldesu 3y ago
If your personal search engine supports the same url schema as Google/Bing/DDG, I see no reason why not: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=user+query+here&ia=web https://www.bing.com/search?q=user+query+here https://www.google.com/search?q=user+query+here It's all generic enough to standardize, Apple could easily support a custom URL option like so.
jsnell 3y ago
Yes, choosing who gets to be on that list is a problem that software other than iOS has as well. Are those lists typically pay to play? Does e.g. Microsoft pay for having Bing listed as an option in Chrome? I remember when Android switched (in the EU) from having Google be the default search to having the users pick from a list during device setup. They initially proposed determining who gets to be on the list via an auction. Companies like Duck Duck Go were outraged, and demanded to be listed for free, and eventually Android went with listing the most popular search engines in each country. Now it turns out that they've been paying Apple all this time, and not said a word. I guess it makes sense. Duck Duck Go cannot afford to speak against Apple for fear of retaliation, while Google is a punching bag they can hit for free PR any time they feel like it.
- anankaie 3y ago
  Apple does not have a search engine competing with DuckDuckGo, though, unlike Google. The whole point of it was to avoid antitrust rulings for referencing their own search engine. If they force other search providers to pay for placement, they would still be referencing their engine. The two situations are not quite as similar as you are presenting them to be.
dewey 3y ago
I was actually surprised that I can't do that when I switched to Kagi a few weeks ago, I thought adding a default search engine is table stakes at this point but was surprised to learn that on iOS you have to install Kagi's Safari extension to interject search queries somehow to get default search engine behaviour.
callalex 3y ago
It used to be that you could add any search engine you want to your browser, yes.
- amadeuspagel 3y ago
  That's still the case in chrome: chrome://settings/searchEngines

If your personal search engine supports the same url schema as Google/Bing/DDG, I see no reason why not: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=user+query+here&ia=web https://www.bing.com/search?q=user+query+here https://www.google.com/search?q=user+query+here It's all generic enough to standardize, Apple could easily support a custom URL option like so.

jsnell 3y ago

Yes, choosing who gets to be on that list is a problem that software other than iOS has as well. Are those lists typically pay to play? Does e.g. Microsoft pay for having Bing listed as an option in Chrome? I remember when Android switched (in the EU) from having Google be the default search to having the users pick from a list during device setup. They initially proposed determining who gets to be on the list via an auction. Companies like Duck Duck Go were outraged, and demanded to be listed for free, and eventually Android went with listing the most popular search engines in each country. Now it turns out that they've been paying Apple all this time, and not said a word. I guess it makes sense. Duck Duck Go cannot afford to speak against Apple for fear of retaliation, while Google is a punching bag they can hit for free PR any time they feel like it.

anankaie 3y ago
Apple does not have a search engine competing with DuckDuckGo, though, unlike Google. The whole point of it was to avoid antitrust rulings for referencing their own search engine. If they force other search providers to pay for placement, they would still be referencing their engine. The two situations are not quite as similar as you are presenting them to be.

dewey 3y ago

I was actually surprised that I can't do that when I switched to Kagi a few weeks ago, I thought adding a default search engine is table stakes at this point but was surprised to learn that on iOS you have to install Kagi's Safari extension to interject search queries somehow to get default search engine behaviour.

callalex 3y ago

It used to be that you could add any search engine you want to your browser, yes.

amadeuspagel 3y ago
That's still the case in chrome: chrome://settings/searchEngines