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Ah, I wish it were that easy, but a number of my favorite games (KSP, Outer Wilds, Disco Elysium off the top of my head) are made in Unity. If you play indie PC

Ah, I wish it were that easy, but a number of my favorite games (KSP, Outer Wilds, Disco Elysium off the top of my head) are made in Unity. If you play indie PC games you can’t boycott Unity without missing a ton of really good games.

srinivgp 3y ago
If you play games you can't play games without missing a ton of really good games. There are _a ton_ of really good games.
- Uehreka 3y ago
  The games market is large, but not infinite. Like, there may be many space games, but only one space sim that has the depth and complexity of KSP 1, and that’s KSP 1. Not to mention that a lot of gamers have no idea what engine their favorite games use. For instance, I was shocked to discover that Disco Elysium used Unity because it looks so different from the “stock Unity look”.
  - syncbehind 3y ago
    >Not to mention that a lot of gamers have no idea what engine their favorite games use. If you start to boycott something, you typically have done some research (why else would you have wanted to boycott it in the first place). I.e boycotting Nestle means that you research where the company may have their fingers in and avoid that.
JohnFen 3y ago
> If you play indie PC games you can’t boycott Unity without missing a ton of really good games. That may be true, but so what? There are more great non-Unity-based games than I have time in my life to play anyway.
fcsp 3y ago
I suppose this is going to change drastically going forward as game devs probably won't want to risk their livelihood on the whims of a company that is ok with making such changes
slowmovintarget 3y ago
I suspect that kind of boycott would hurt the independent developers more than it hurts Unity.
- syncbehind 3y ago
  Those developers will then need to pivot in response to market changes. But yes, that's often how it goes. If you boycott a child-labor produced coffee, and it just so happens that your favourite indie cafe uses that as their main coffee because it's so cheap! Yea, that cafe will suffer.
  - slowmovintarget 3y ago
    I'd be all for a boycott in your example, but not in the case of Unity... as a purchaser of games. As a developer, you'd better believe I'd be looking hard at Godot / Defold / Unreal... or turning off the Unity ads in my products. I don't think Unity's intended pricing change is morally equivalent to child labor.
    - syncbehind 3y ago
      I used a hyperbole to get my point across. I'm not equating the two. I mean, even not using them as a development platform is something. But I don't get the logic behind supporting them as a purchaser of games? Is it just FOMO?
      - slowmovintarget 3y ago
        No. It's because I don't believe it strikes at the right targets, for lack of a better metaphor. You get collateral damage that I don't think is worthwhile. If the desired goal is to have developers move away from Unity, Unity themselves have given enough incentive. You suggested boycotting the developers that use Unity. I don't get your scorched earth logic. It seems unreasonable to me.
        3y ago
syncbehind 3y ago
> If you play indie PC games you can’t boycott Unity without missing a ton of really good games. The naivete involved in expecting to boycott a product without having any inconveniences never ceases to amuse me. The very nature of boycotting necessitates that you will miss out on things. If you never used the product/byproduct, what effect would your boycott have? It's like a bald person boycotting a hair cuttery, who cares?
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  In the gaming world, boycotts are an absolute joke. I think many gamers don't even know what the word means and will pre-order and play the hell out of a game they're claiming to be boycotting.

srinivgp 3y ago

If you play games you can't play games without missing a ton of really good games. There are _a ton_ of really good games.

Uehreka 3y ago
The games market is large, but not infinite. Like, there may be many space games, but only one space sim that has the depth and complexity of KSP 1, and that’s KSP 1. Not to mention that a lot of gamers have no idea what engine their favorite games use. For instance, I was shocked to discover that Disco Elysium used Unity because it looks so different from the “stock Unity look”.
- syncbehind 3y ago
  >Not to mention that a lot of gamers have no idea what engine their favorite games use. If you start to boycott something, you typically have done some research (why else would you have wanted to boycott it in the first place). I.e boycotting Nestle means that you research where the company may have their fingers in and avoid that.

JohnFen 3y ago

> If you play indie PC games you can’t boycott Unity without missing a ton of really good games. That may be true, but so what? There are more great non-Unity-based games than I have time in my life to play anyway.

fcsp 3y ago

I suppose this is going to change drastically going forward as game devs probably won't want to risk their livelihood on the whims of a company that is ok with making such changes

slowmovintarget 3y ago

I suspect that kind of boycott would hurt the independent developers more than it hurts Unity.

syncbehind 3y ago
Those developers will then need to pivot in response to market changes. But yes, that's often how it goes. If you boycott a child-labor produced coffee, and it just so happens that your favourite indie cafe uses that as their main coffee because it's so cheap! Yea, that cafe will suffer.
- slowmovintarget 3y ago
  I'd be all for a boycott in your example, but not in the case of Unity... as a purchaser of games. As a developer, you'd better believe I'd be looking hard at Godot / Defold / Unreal... or turning off the Unity ads in my products. I don't think Unity's intended pricing change is morally equivalent to child labor.
  - syncbehind 3y ago
    I used a hyperbole to get my point across. I'm not equating the two. I mean, even not using them as a development platform is something. But I don't get the logic behind supporting them as a purchaser of games? Is it just FOMO?
    - slowmovintarget 3y ago
      No. It's because I don't believe it strikes at the right targets, for lack of a better metaphor. You get collateral damage that I don't think is worthwhile. If the desired goal is to have developers move away from Unity, Unity themselves have given enough incentive. You suggested boycotting the developers that use Unity. I don't get your scorched earth logic. It seems unreasonable to me.
      - 3y ago

syncbehind 3y ago

> If you play indie PC games you can’t boycott Unity without missing a ton of really good games. The naivete involved in expecting to boycott a product without having any inconveniences never ceases to amuse me. The very nature of boycotting necessitates that you will miss out on things. If you never used the product/byproduct, what effect would your boycott have? It's like a bald person boycotting a hair cuttery, who cares?

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
In the gaming world, boycotts are an absolute joke. I think many gamers don't even know what the word means and will pre-order and play the hell out of a game they're claiming to be boycotting.