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I have an old friend who is Jewish and whose father survived a NAZI concentration camp in Poland. He was basically an infant when we went in. He naturally hate

I have an old friend who is Jewish and whose father survived a NAZI concentration camp in Poland. He was basically an infant when we went in. He naturally hated the NAZIs and the German nation of the time, but he maintained a lifelong deeper distrust and probably-bigoted hatred for Poles (and Slavs from that part of the world in general) because it was Polish neighbours who put him in there, and he saw plenty of enthusiastic Polish accomplices. Germans back in Germany or on the western front could often claim plausible ignorance of what the NAZIs were up to with the concentration camps. Volunteering in an SS militia in the lands where the bulk of the extermination of Jews was happening is another form of evil entirely. The holocaust is the most horrible crime of the 20th century, probably of all of human history. Being an accomplice to it, even just in thoughts and ideology, is repugnant with no excuse.

mantas 3y ago
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- endianswap 3y ago
  One and a half million Ukrainian Jews were killed by the Nazis, with the full support of the "local SS militias".
  - mantas 3y ago
    Somehow Nuremberg trials said Galizia division was not guilty of war crimes?
    - enterprise_cog 3y ago
      Where was that ruled? And crimes against humanity wasn’t a defined thing after ww2 and wasn’t punished. But you’d know that if you read about this stuff. Instead you’re pushing denial and lies. Fuck off you swine, it’s very clear what you’re doing in this thread and you should be banned.
      - dang 3y ago
        You can't post like this or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37676237 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37676237 to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. I'm not going to try to persuade you that you owe better to someone who you perceive this way; however, you definitely owe this community better if you're participating in it, and on that basis I have to ask you not to post like this again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Sorry. I’ll refrain from doing that again.
        dang 3y ago
        Appreciated!
- dang 3y ago
  Please stop. What you're doing in this thread is...I'll just say indistinguishable from trolling and leave it at that.
  - mantas 3y ago
    Why? Is history too complex? If at least one person was encouraged to read about events in this part of the world during and around WWII, my goal is reached.
    - dang 3y ago
      You've been here for 15 years. You shouldn't have to ask why posting comments depicting the SS as after-all-not-so-bad and really-just-defensive, might come across as flamebait or trolling. Please don't post like that to HN again.
      - mantas 3y ago
        I'm sorry, but this is just a historical fact that core Wafen-SS was very different from some auxiliary units. There's Nuremberg trials and plenty of research came after that. As far as I understand Hacker in HN stands for hacking both technology and mainstream culture to build a better future. And discussing troublesome historical events is a part of it. IMO a huge portion of political divide in West is precisely because many historical events are brushed under the carpet with very vague understanding. Personally I like reading HN threads that go deep discussing such topics in other parts of the world. Of course, as long as discussions are civil and based on facts rather than name calling.
        dang 3y ago
        Discussing troublesome events may be part of it, but not the way you were doing it in this thread, which was trolling in effect, if not intention. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=troll%20effects%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... The part that you seem to be missing is in this guideline: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Part of what "thoughtful" means is taking into account how your posts might be landing with others, especially those on the other side of divides like this one.

mantas 3y ago

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endianswap 3y ago
One and a half million Ukrainian Jews were killed by the Nazis, with the full support of the "local SS militias".
- mantas 3y ago
  Somehow Nuremberg trials said Galizia division was not guilty of war crimes?
  - enterprise_cog 3y ago
    Where was that ruled? And crimes against humanity wasn’t a defined thing after ww2 and wasn’t punished. But you’d know that if you read about this stuff. Instead you’re pushing denial and lies. Fuck off you swine, it’s very clear what you’re doing in this thread and you should be banned.
    - dang 3y ago
      You can't post like this or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37676237 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37676237 to HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. I'm not going to try to persuade you that you owe better to someone who you perceive this way; however, you definitely owe this community better if you're participating in it, and on that basis I have to ask you not to post like this again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
      - enterprise_cog 3y ago
        Sorry. I’ll refrain from doing that again.
        dang 3y ago
        Appreciated!
dang 3y ago
Please stop. What you're doing in this thread is...I'll just say indistinguishable from trolling and leave it at that.
- mantas 3y ago
  Why? Is history too complex? If at least one person was encouraged to read about events in this part of the world during and around WWII, my goal is reached.
  - dang 3y ago
    You've been here for 15 years. You shouldn't have to ask why posting comments depicting the SS as after-all-not-so-bad and really-just-defensive, might come across as flamebait or trolling. Please don't post like that to HN again.
    - mantas 3y ago
      I'm sorry, but this is just a historical fact that core Wafen-SS was very different from some auxiliary units. There's Nuremberg trials and plenty of research came after that. As far as I understand Hacker in HN stands for hacking both technology and mainstream culture to build a better future. And discussing troublesome historical events is a part of it. IMO a huge portion of political divide in West is precisely because many historical events are brushed under the carpet with very vague understanding. Personally I like reading HN threads that go deep discussing such topics in other parts of the world. Of course, as long as discussions are civil and based on facts rather than name calling.
      - dang 3y ago
        Discussing troublesome events may be part of it, but not the way you were doing it in this thread, which was trolling in effect, if not intention. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=troll%20effects%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... The part that you seem to be missing is in this guideline: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Part of what "thoughtful" means is taking into account how your posts might be landing with others, especially those on the other side of divides like this one.