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I believe it's supposed to be "U.S. Democrats", not "us Democrats".

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
On this site, I'm not sure it makes much of a difference. Shockingly to me, someone else in this thread writes how this is a conservative site... Well that guy must have a wildly different perspective from me!
- daveoc64 3y ago
  On a global scale, the Democrats in the US are extremely conservative. "There are two major parties in America - a conservative party, and a very conservative party".
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
    I know that is a popular line to say. Economically, maybe, but not really. I think Europe is a lot better about hiding their corporate interests than the USA, but I think it's still largely capitalism-for-real behind the socialism-for-show. I can't think of how that statement is true, unless you look at things USA Left wants that they are unable to get, then saying they're conservative because they didn't get them. Like socialized healthcare. What part are Democrats conservative over Europeans liberals? Healthcare, no I don't think so. Immigration? No. Guns? No. Free speech? No. Low taxes and small government? No. Abortion? lol no. Democrats in the USA were so up in arms over a 15 week limit in Missippi that they took it to the Supreme Court and lost Roe v Wade, but most of Europe is happily swimming along with 12 week bans. So, maybe I just don't see it, but I hear this line all the time from progressives that are frustrated at Democrats for not doing all the hard left things they want. What am I missing? USA Democrats aren't conservative because they have a conservative party that opposes them. What are USA Democrats so conservative at in their actual actions and desires?
  - TMWNN 3y ago
    As SV_BubbleTime said, that is nonsense no matter how often the claim is repeated. I'll give two more examples. Voter ID is uncontroversial everywhere in Europe and Canada. Formerly government-run postal services have long since been privatized almost everywhere in Europe, while no one advocates doing so with the USPS (despite the TDS-driven hysteria over the so-called sabotaging of same in 2020).
    - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
      > Voter ID is uncontroversial everywhere in Europe and Canada. Voter ID is controversial in the UK: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/voter-id-elections-act-fraud-disenfranchisement/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/voter-id-elections-act-frau... https://www.politico.eu/article/punch-ups-at-the-polling-booths-england-goes-to-war-over-voter-id/ https://www.politico.eu/article/punch-ups-at-the-polling-boo... https://theconversation.com/six-reasons-britains-impending-voter-id-law-is-a-bad-idea-196436 https://theconversation.com/six-reasons-britains-impending-v... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/11/voter-id-in-england-led-to-racial-and-disability-discrimination-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/11/voter-id-in... https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2023/03/voter-id-is-the-governments-latest-threat-to-our-democracy/ https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2023/03/voter-id-is-t...

On this site, I'm not sure it makes much of a difference. Shockingly to me, someone else in this thread writes how this is a conservative site... Well that guy must have a wildly different perspective from me!

daveoc64 3y ago
On a global scale, the Democrats in the US are extremely conservative. "There are two major parties in America - a conservative party, and a very conservative party".
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  I know that is a popular line to say. Economically, maybe, but not really. I think Europe is a lot better about hiding their corporate interests than the USA, but I think it's still largely capitalism-for-real behind the socialism-for-show. I can't think of how that statement is true, unless you look at things USA Left wants that they are unable to get, then saying they're conservative because they didn't get them. Like socialized healthcare. What part are Democrats conservative over Europeans liberals? Healthcare, no I don't think so. Immigration? No. Guns? No. Free speech? No. Low taxes and small government? No. Abortion? lol no. Democrats in the USA were so up in arms over a 15 week limit in Missippi that they took it to the Supreme Court and lost Roe v Wade, but most of Europe is happily swimming along with 12 week bans. So, maybe I just don't see it, but I hear this line all the time from progressives that are frustrated at Democrats for not doing all the hard left things they want. What am I missing? USA Democrats aren't conservative because they have a conservative party that opposes them. What are USA Democrats so conservative at in their actual actions and desires?
- TMWNN 3y ago
  As SV_BubbleTime said, that is nonsense no matter how often the claim is repeated. I'll give two more examples. Voter ID is uncontroversial everywhere in Europe and Canada. Formerly government-run postal services have long since been privatized almost everywhere in Europe, while no one advocates doing so with the USPS (despite the TDS-driven hysteria over the so-called sabotaging of same in 2020).
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    > Voter ID is uncontroversial everywhere in Europe and Canada. Voter ID is controversial in the UK: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/voter-id-elections-act-fraud-disenfranchisement/ https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/voter-id-elections-act-frau... https://www.politico.eu/article/punch-ups-at-the-polling-booths-england-goes-to-war-over-voter-id/ https://www.politico.eu/article/punch-ups-at-the-polling-boo... https://theconversation.com/six-reasons-britains-impending-voter-id-law-is-a-bad-idea-196436 https://theconversation.com/six-reasons-britains-impending-v... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/11/voter-id-in-england-led-to-racial-and-disability-discrimination-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/11/voter-id-in... https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2023/03/voter-id-is-the-governments-latest-threat-to-our-democracy/ https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2023/03/voter-id-is-t...