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Did they ever add actual vertical tab support? When they migrated to webextensions TreeStyleTabs was pretty hamstrung because it couldn't replace the actual tab

by tapoxi 3y ago

Did they ever add actual vertical tab support? When they migrated to webextensions TreeStyleTabs was pretty hamstrung because it couldn't replace the actual tab UI anymore.

forgotpwd16 3y ago
TST cannot but can be done via userChrome.css. #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse !important; } Can even be done to auto-hide only when having TST opened rather permanently.
- syncbehind 3y ago
  How would you do that latter part? I currently have a userchrome.css for something similar but I wasn't aware that you could have conditionals in css.
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    Using a different size for elements matching a :hover selector is how a lot of CSS gets this done. The first result on Google (https://gist.github.com/olmstadfm/d6b4d37219e957d9cdcdb3ec88952c15 https://gist.github.com/olmstadfm/d6b4d37219e957d9cdcdb3ec88...) also seems to employ the :hover selector to accomplish hiding the tabs. I don't know how effective this particular script is, but it makes sense to use such a system.
    - syncbehind 3y ago
      Haven't had a chance to implement it, but this sounds rad. I never thought to use hover in userchrome.css! Brilliant! Thank you!
  - rmurri 3y ago
    I don't know about TST, but sidebery can alter your window title when it's active, so you can match css rules against it. #main-window[titlepreface*="Sidebery"] #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse !important; }
    - syncbehind 3y ago
      Oh heck! That's rad. I'll have to play around with that. I use sidebery so this is aces. Thank you!
  - botanical 3y ago
    See here: https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-for-custom-style-rules#full-auto-showhide-theme https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-fo... Tabs like History and Bookmarks won't hide but TST does.
  - cpmsmith 3y ago
    Sidebery's wiki describes[0] a method using a window "title preface" API, then using that preface in CSS selectors. https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery/wiki/Firefox-Styles-Snippets-(via-userChrome.css)#dynamic-native-tabs https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery/wiki/Firefox-Styles-Snipp...
    - syncbehind 3y ago
      Wow, I should have read their wiki. Goldmine!
nihilius 3y ago
I am using https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery for this now.
hackerbrother 3y ago
I've liked this. Started using this after I got hooked on vertical tabs in Edge at work. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
- syncbehind 3y ago
  Yep! This and a few userchrome.css modifications is all it took for me. A few css transitions and hidden elements and viola, it functions better than edge does.
  - nickthegreek 3y ago
    happen to have those css mods handy?
    - severine 3y ago
      https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
    - syncbehind 3y ago
      Yep! Here ya go https://pastebin.com/6fhmdaNQ https://pastebin.com/6fhmdaNQ I've tried to comment things as I go. Hope you find it helpful!
      - nickthegreek 3y ago
        Man this stuff really took me down a rabbit hole! Appreciate the link.
black7375 3y ago
If you use my theme and set a few things, it looks pretty good. - https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix/wiki/Show-Off-Your-Config#vertical-tab https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix/wiki/Show-Off-Yo...
rkangel 3y ago
You can always add vertical tab support. What you can't do is turn off the normal tabs across the top. So any side tab solution (I use TST) also needs some userChrome.css.
PurpleRamen 3y ago
No, you still need to "hack" the tabbar away on your own. Back then the claim seems to be security-reasons, so no malicious addon can replace the tabbar for you, and manipulate what you see. Which seems fairs, removing the tabbar on your own is not very complicated. And Tree Style Tabs still works very well today, the early bugs are all fixed now. In the meanwhile there appeared also some other vertical tabbars/trees, but none are really on TSTs level, so not sure how popular they are. So over all, there is little reason for Mozilla to bring a vertical tabbar on their own, especially as they are still missing support for a second sidebar.
- beagle3 3y ago
  I switched from TST to sidebery because TST was unbearably slow (about 3 years ago). Did TST improve on this front?
  - dmonitor 3y ago
    I can't imagine TST being any faster than it is for me
    - beagle3 3y ago
      How many tabs do you have open at the same time? I was at a few hundreds (with an auto-unload add on as well). I often get there while doing research on a new subject - open everything relevant as a tab, and slowly go through them. (Yes, it’s a horrible workflow, but I haven’t found one that works better for me, or even remotely as well)
  - PurpleRamen 3y ago
    I don't know what's fast or slow is for you. But I can say in general I have no performance-problems with TST. I tested the new version of Sidebery, the last days, and performance-wise it seems around the same. Some difference is the animation-speed, which out of the box on TST is a bit slower than with Sidebery. But that's a configuration-detail.
    - 3y ago
clumsysmurf 3y ago
I'd like to see that too, but even with Sidebery I have been using Safari more because of its tab groups (and I have found the extensions lacking). It seems Mozilla is not interested in that idea any more. Without tab groups, its a stark difference that feels like the olden days when you had IE (no tabs) and FF (tabs). You just can't go back if they are useful to you.

by tapoxi 3y ago

Did they ever add actual vertical tab support? When they migrated to webextensions TreeStyleTabs was pretty hamstrung because it couldn't replace the actual tab UI anymore.

forgotpwd16 3y ago

TST cannot but can be done via userChrome.css. #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse !important; } Can even be done to auto-hide only when having TST opened rather permanently.

syncbehind 3y ago
How would you do that latter part? I currently have a userchrome.css for something similar but I wasn't aware that you could have conditionals in css.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  Using a different size for elements matching a :hover selector is how a lot of CSS gets this done. The first result on Google (https://gist.github.com/olmstadfm/d6b4d37219e957d9cdcdb3ec88952c15 https://gist.github.com/olmstadfm/d6b4d37219e957d9cdcdb3ec88...) also seems to employ the :hover selector to accomplish hiding the tabs. I don't know how effective this particular script is, but it makes sense to use such a system.
  - syncbehind 3y ago
    Haven't had a chance to implement it, but this sounds rad. I never thought to use hover in userchrome.css! Brilliant! Thank you!
- rmurri 3y ago
  I don't know about TST, but sidebery can alter your window title when it's active, so you can match css rules against it. #main-window[titlepreface*="Sidebery"] #TabsToolbar { visibility: collapse !important; }
  - syncbehind 3y ago
    Oh heck! That's rad. I'll have to play around with that. I use sidebery so this is aces. Thank you!
- botanical 3y ago
  See here: https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-for-custom-style-rules#full-auto-showhide-theme https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-fo... Tabs like History and Bookmarks won't hide but TST does.
- cpmsmith 3y ago
  Sidebery's wiki describes[0] a method using a window "title preface" API, then using that preface in CSS selectors. https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery/wiki/Firefox-Styles-Snippets-(via-userChrome.css)#dynamic-native-tabs https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery/wiki/Firefox-Styles-Snipp...
  - syncbehind 3y ago
    Wow, I should have read their wiki. Goldmine!

nihilius 3y ago

I am using https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery for this now.

hackerbrother 3y ago

I've liked this. Started using this after I got hooked on vertical tabs in Edge at work. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/

syncbehind 3y ago
Yep! This and a few userchrome.css modifications is all it took for me. A few css transitions and hidden elements and viola, it functions better than edge does.
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  happen to have those css mods handy?
  - severine 3y ago
    https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx https://github.com/Aris-t2/CustomCSSforFx
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
  - syncbehind 3y ago
    Yep! Here ya go https://pastebin.com/6fhmdaNQ https://pastebin.com/6fhmdaNQ I've tried to comment things as I go. Hope you find it helpful!
    - nickthegreek 3y ago
      Man this stuff really took me down a rabbit hole! Appreciate the link.

black7375 3y ago

If you use my theme and set a few things, it looks pretty good. - https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix/wiki/Show-Off-Your-Config#vertical-tab https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix/wiki/Show-Off-Yo...

rkangel 3y ago

You can always add vertical tab support. What you can't do is turn off the normal tabs across the top. So any side tab solution (I use TST) also needs some userChrome.css.

PurpleRamen 3y ago

No, you still need to "hack" the tabbar away on your own. Back then the claim seems to be security-reasons, so no malicious addon can replace the tabbar for you, and manipulate what you see. Which seems fairs, removing the tabbar on your own is not very complicated. And Tree Style Tabs still works very well today, the early bugs are all fixed now. In the meanwhile there appeared also some other vertical tabbars/trees, but none are really on TSTs level, so not sure how popular they are. So over all, there is little reason for Mozilla to bring a vertical tabbar on their own, especially as they are still missing support for a second sidebar.

beagle3 3y ago
I switched from TST to sidebery because TST was unbearably slow (about 3 years ago). Did TST improve on this front?
- dmonitor 3y ago
  I can't imagine TST being any faster than it is for me
  - beagle3 3y ago
    How many tabs do you have open at the same time? I was at a few hundreds (with an auto-unload add on as well). I often get there while doing research on a new subject - open everything relevant as a tab, and slowly go through them. (Yes, it’s a horrible workflow, but I haven’t found one that works better for me, or even remotely as well)
- PurpleRamen 3y ago
  I don't know what's fast or slow is for you. But I can say in general I have no performance-problems with TST. I tested the new version of Sidebery, the last days, and performance-wise it seems around the same. Some difference is the animation-speed, which out of the box on TST is a bit slower than with Sidebery. But that's a configuration-detail.
  - 3y ago

clumsysmurf 3y ago

I'd like to see that too, but even with Sidebery I have been using Safari more because of its tab groups (and I have found the extensions lacking). It seems Mozilla is not interested in that idea any more. Without tab groups, its a stark difference that feels like the olden days when you had IE (no tabs) and FF (tabs). You just can't go back if they are useful to you.