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I’m pro net neutrality AFAIK. BUT We owe it to ourselves to go and look at all the fearmongering they were putting out about ending net neutrality and figuring

I’m pro net neutrality AFAIK. BUT We owe it to ourselves to go and look at all the fearmongering they were putting out about ending net neutrality and figuring out why it didn’t come to pass. And hopefully learning from that for future policy debates.

mattnewton 3y ago
It’s only been a few years. I don’t think we owe our selves to call all experiments at such a short time frame. People are acting like this is some chemical reaction they should be able to observe in an afternoon instead of something slow and pernicious like large American businesses when they know they are being watched. Edit: also several states have net neutrality laws on the books, so if you are typing this from California it’s no wonder you aren’t seeing the end of the world: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/californias-net-neutrality-law-and-the-case-for-zero-rating-government-services/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/californias-net-neutralit...
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  Can we apply the same argument of time and precedence? Machine guns were legal for new purchase in the USA from their invention in 1892 to 1986. That's 94 years of precedent so, if a couple years of "no chemical reaction" is the gauge, I bet we could roll into and back on a lot of things, right?
dd36 3y ago
States passed net neutrality laws.
Covzire 3y ago
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- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  Does no one else remember Reddit and Google running dial-up looking gifs of their logos to show how evil the ending of NN would be? Yea... we got a worse internet alright but it definitely wasn't because images load slowly.
xenadu02 3y ago
I don't know why I have to keep explaining the history of this. What people call "Net Neutrality" is just how the internet (and ARPANET before it) had always worked. No one had contemplated it working in any other way. Then Verizon came along and started blocking well-known VPN ports unless you paid for a "business" account. The FCC responded with "Net Neutrality" saying no, you can't just decide to block certain protocols, websites, or services for monetary reasons. QoS should be enforced when requested by clients or for technical reasons (eg VoIP), not to create class tiers to squeeze both customers and the services they use for money on both ends. If you want more money raise your price of service. If you think the bean counters at the big telco and cable companies aren't excited by the idea of charging you extra to use a VPN, a VoIP phone, and hitting the top 100 websites on the back end then I don't know what to tell you. Absent any legal barriers they can and they eventually will. Most people don't have meaningful competition so you'll take what daddy Comcast deigns to offer you or you can go back to 2Mbps ADSL.

mattnewton 3y ago

It’s only been a few years. I don’t think we owe our selves to call all experiments at such a short time frame. People are acting like this is some chemical reaction they should be able to observe in an afternoon instead of something slow and pernicious like large American businesses when they know they are being watched. Edit: also several states have net neutrality laws on the books, so if you are typing this from California it’s no wonder you aren’t seeing the end of the world: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/californias-net-neutrality-law-and-the-case-for-zero-rating-government-services/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/californias-net-neutralit...

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
Can we apply the same argument of time and precedence? Machine guns were legal for new purchase in the USA from their invention in 1892 to 1986. That's 94 years of precedent so, if a couple years of "no chemical reaction" is the gauge, I bet we could roll into and back on a lot of things, right?

dd36 3y ago

States passed net neutrality laws.

Covzire 3y ago

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SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
Does no one else remember Reddit and Google running dial-up looking gifs of their logos to show how evil the ending of NN would be? Yea... we got a worse internet alright but it definitely wasn't because images load slowly.

xenadu02 3y ago

I don't know why I have to keep explaining the history of this. What people call "Net Neutrality" is just how the internet (and ARPANET before it) had always worked. No one had contemplated it working in any other way. Then Verizon came along and started blocking well-known VPN ports unless you paid for a "business" account. The FCC responded with "Net Neutrality" saying no, you can't just decide to block certain protocols, websites, or services for monetary reasons. QoS should be enforced when requested by clients or for technical reasons (eg VoIP), not to create class tiers to squeeze both customers and the services they use for money on both ends. If you want more money raise your price of service. If you think the bean counters at the big telco and cable companies aren't excited by the idea of charging you extra to use a VPN, a VoIP phone, and hitting the top 100 websites on the back end then I don't know what to tell you. Absent any legal barriers they can and they eventually will. Most people don't have meaningful competition so you'll take what daddy Comcast deigns to offer you or you can go back to 2Mbps ADSL.