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So the one "funny" bot should be wasted on TWSS, which one of the team actively objects to? (And it is a waste: markov chain bots can provide moments of startli

So the one "funny" bot should be wasted on TWSS, which one of the team actively objects to? (And it is a waste: markov chain bots can provide moments of startling poetry. ",)

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- unalone 15y ago
  She SPECIFICALLY says that she's frustrated with how gendered the TWSS joke is: > I took it for granted that everyone was familiar with the “That’s what she said,” joke, but a recent conversation with a consultant friend made me realize some industries don’t feature it on a daily basis. For those who haven’t heard it a million times, the idea is that when somebody says something that could remotely be turned into a sexual joke, e.g. “I’m trying to solve this problem but it’s really hard!” you say “That’s what SHE said,” in a lascivious tone. And describing why she's satisfied with the bot's reaction: > In any case, I feel that I have succeeded in constructively disrupting an aspect of my work culture that made me uncomfortable. "Uncomfortable". Not "annoying". You know that "ignoring what women say and explaining that they're really bothered by something else" is one of the most common responses that feminists have to deal with, right? And that it's disrespectful to suggest that there's a more "rational" explanation for why a woman's upset than that they feel uncomfortable about a sexist environment? I mean, she says close to the beginning: > I asked a number of times to have that bot function turned off, but got the usual combination of being ignored, being told it’s funny, and being told I should lighten up. Emphasis mine. We just had a big ole conversation about that phrase like a week ago. Remember it?
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    - unalone 15y ago
      Whoops, I'm sorry. I read your: > THAT is most likely the cause of the frustration of her co-workers and thought you said: > THAT is most likely the cause of her frustration of her co-workers I'm sorry for calling you out on something you didn't actually say. Although I feel that if one annoying bot is okay with her coworkers, a second, more sophisticated bot shouldn't raise too many hackles – especially if it only ever follows the first.
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- eaten_by_a_grue 15y ago
  I agree. And if that was the first bot to respond to a bot, I think it is irritating that men hate equality was the first conclusion. Maybe those guys do hate equality, but from my perspective I would have been irritated by TWSS and then more irritated by the responder, I might then decide to complain before anyone else gets the bright idea to make another bot talking to a bot.
  - AkThhhpppt 15y ago
    And if that complaint results in the rule "no bots on IRC," she wins. She has co-workers who are ignoring how their thoughtless behaviour is impacting her, even after she's told them. She'd be entirely justified taking it to HR, but instead she's social engineering a more subtle solution. Nice work!
    - eaten_by_a_grue 15y ago
      > And if that complaint results in the rule "no bots on IRC," she wins. No, maturity and people with refined senses of humor win :) I think having that phrase repeated to the extent of making a bot is idiotic, I think her solution is far more entertaining to read, and I am irritated by unalone's suggestion that "that's what she said" unequivocally objectifies women. That's all of my feelings for this thread.
      - AkThhhpppt 15y ago
        Ok: her colleagues disrespect her enough to ignore her request for them to stop doing something that makes her uncomfortable. Doesn't matter what the behaviour is, it should at least be addressed. Basic issue of respect for one's co-workers. See you around. ",)

So the one "funny" bot should be wasted on TWSS, which one of the team actively objects to? (And it is a waste: markov chain bots can provide moments of startling poetry. ",)

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unalone 15y ago
She SPECIFICALLY says that she's frustrated with how gendered the TWSS joke is: > I took it for granted that everyone was familiar with the “That’s what she said,” joke, but a recent conversation with a consultant friend made me realize some industries don’t feature it on a daily basis. For those who haven’t heard it a million times, the idea is that when somebody says something that could remotely be turned into a sexual joke, e.g. “I’m trying to solve this problem but it’s really hard!” you say “That’s what SHE said,” in a lascivious tone. And describing why she's satisfied with the bot's reaction: > In any case, I feel that I have succeeded in constructively disrupting an aspect of my work culture that made me uncomfortable. "Uncomfortable". Not "annoying". You know that "ignoring what women say and explaining that they're really bothered by something else" is one of the most common responses that feminists have to deal with, right? And that it's disrespectful to suggest that there's a more "rational" explanation for why a woman's upset than that they feel uncomfortable about a sexist environment? I mean, she says close to the beginning: > I asked a number of times to have that bot function turned off, but got the usual combination of being ignored, being told it’s funny, and being told I should lighten up. Emphasis mine. We just had a big ole conversation about that phrase like a week ago. Remember it?
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  - unalone 15y ago
    Whoops, I'm sorry. I read your: > THAT is most likely the cause of the frustration of her co-workers and thought you said: > THAT is most likely the cause of her frustration of her co-workers I'm sorry for calling you out on something you didn't actually say. Although I feel that if one annoying bot is okay with her coworkers, a second, more sophisticated bot shouldn't raise too many hackles – especially if it only ever follows the first.
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eaten_by_a_grue 15y ago
I agree. And if that was the first bot to respond to a bot, I think it is irritating that men hate equality was the first conclusion. Maybe those guys do hate equality, but from my perspective I would have been irritated by TWSS and then more irritated by the responder, I might then decide to complain before anyone else gets the bright idea to make another bot talking to a bot.
- AkThhhpppt 15y ago
  And if that complaint results in the rule "no bots on IRC," she wins. She has co-workers who are ignoring how their thoughtless behaviour is impacting her, even after she's told them. She'd be entirely justified taking it to HR, but instead she's social engineering a more subtle solution. Nice work!
  - eaten_by_a_grue 15y ago
    > And if that complaint results in the rule "no bots on IRC," she wins. No, maturity and people with refined senses of humor win :) I think having that phrase repeated to the extent of making a bot is idiotic, I think her solution is far more entertaining to read, and I am irritated by unalone's suggestion that "that's what she said" unequivocally objectifies women. That's all of my feelings for this thread.
    - AkThhhpppt 15y ago
      Ok: her colleagues disrespect her enough to ignore her request for them to stop doing something that makes her uncomfortable. Doesn't matter what the behaviour is, it should at least be addressed. Basic issue of respect for one's co-workers. See you around. ",)