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This is Israel. Firstly, you'll have to deal with some repercussions from the USA for taking any action. Secondly, try to criticise Israel and see what media br

This is Israel. Firstly, you'll have to deal with some repercussions from the USA for taking any action. Secondly, try to criticise Israel and see what media brand you as.

formerly_proven 3y ago
lol this guy is talking about denaturalizing Jews and you’re going “see what the media brands you for criticizing Israel”
- fortran77 3y ago
  The lie of "We just don't like Israel's policies -- we love the Jews" is seen though very quickly in Hacker News. In fact none of the people commenting here give a crap about Catalans in Spain. They just want an excuse to attack a people they hate.
  - bitcharmer 3y ago
    Exactly, if you criticize the Israeli government then you're a anti-semite and a nazi. No, you're literally Hitler.
jamra 3y ago
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- bitcharmer 3y ago
  You just proved my point. Any criticism of the state of Israel which I was referring to will be called as hating on Jews.
  - Chris2048 3y ago
    If it's Israel, not Jews, then what did you mean by "citizenships of all Jews who repatriated to Spain after XVI century expulsions" who are not Israelis?
  - jamra 3y ago
    No I did not. You are using this defense to target Jews more broadly than Israelis. You're being extremely prejudiced and I think you know you're doing it. The gaslighting is part of the message.
- mrpopo 3y ago
  Where did OP state that he hated jews? Is the Israeli government synonymous with Jewish people now? I have a lot of respect for Jewish people but a lot of resentment towards the Israeli government, as well as many Israelis.
  - jamra 3y ago
    He wasn't talking about Israel. He was talking about Jews. Are you intentionally not reading what he wrote? I don't understand why this is a hard thing to understand. There is a huge difference between criticizing Israel and advocating for collective punishment of Jews. OP was doing the latter.
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- denton-scratch 3y ago
  Have you stopped beating your wife?
  - jamra 3y ago
    Are you really defending comments suggesting that Jews should be collectively punished? Did you miss that from the original comment? I really hope so. Otherwise you're basically advocating for collective punishment based on peoples race.
    - denton-scratch 3y ago
      "do you know that you hate Jews or is it a blind spot to your own prejudice?" That question embodies the logical fallacy of assuming the consequent, and that's all my remark meant. I wsn't commenting on the substance of the discussion.
      - jamra 3y ago
        I think you were. But honestly I was curious. I wonder when people defend prejudiced things if they’re doing it knowingly or if it’s a subconscious thing. Defending the collective punishment of Jews who were expelled from Spain for something a company did is a pretty wild leap. My comment was my attempt at pointing out the collective punishment of Jews, which was my issue with the OP. I don’t buy your argument that you’re somehow defending proper debate etiquette. The grandparent comment was very openly racist.
        denton-scratch 3y ago
        > I think you were. Yes, that's clear; your original comment shows plainly that you interpreted my remark as antisemitic. It wasn't; it was pointing out a fallacy (and that formulation is nearly always used to point out that particular fallacy). You can think what you like, of course; but screeching "antisemite!" based on nothing but your powers of telepathy is rather counterproductive.

This is Israel. Firstly, you'll have to deal with some repercussions from the USA for taking any action. Secondly, try to criticise Israel and see what media brand you as.

formerly_proven 3y ago

lol this guy is talking about denaturalizing Jews and you’re going “see what the media brands you for criticizing Israel”

fortran77 3y ago
The lie of "We just don't like Israel's policies -- we love the Jews" is seen though very quickly in Hacker News. In fact none of the people commenting here give a crap about Catalans in Spain. They just want an excuse to attack a people they hate.
- bitcharmer 3y ago
  Exactly, if you criticize the Israeli government then you're a anti-semite and a nazi. No, you're literally Hitler.

jamra 3y ago

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bitcharmer 3y ago
You just proved my point. Any criticism of the state of Israel which I was referring to will be called as hating on Jews.
- Chris2048 3y ago
  If it's Israel, not Jews, then what did you mean by "citizenships of all Jews who repatriated to Spain after XVI century expulsions" who are not Israelis?
- jamra 3y ago
  No I did not. You are using this defense to target Jews more broadly than Israelis. You're being extremely prejudiced and I think you know you're doing it. The gaslighting is part of the message.
mrpopo 3y ago
Where did OP state that he hated jews? Is the Israeli government synonymous with Jewish people now? I have a lot of respect for Jewish people but a lot of resentment towards the Israeli government, as well as many Israelis.
- jamra 3y ago
  He wasn't talking about Israel. He was talking about Jews. Are you intentionally not reading what he wrote? I don't understand why this is a hard thing to understand. There is a huge difference between criticizing Israel and advocating for collective punishment of Jews. OP was doing the latter.
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denton-scratch 3y ago
Have you stopped beating your wife?
- jamra 3y ago
  Are you really defending comments suggesting that Jews should be collectively punished? Did you miss that from the original comment? I really hope so. Otherwise you're basically advocating for collective punishment based on peoples race.
  - denton-scratch 3y ago
    "do you know that you hate Jews or is it a blind spot to your own prejudice?" That question embodies the logical fallacy of assuming the consequent, and that's all my remark meant. I wsn't commenting on the substance of the discussion.
    - jamra 3y ago
      I think you were. But honestly I was curious. I wonder when people defend prejudiced things if they’re doing it knowingly or if it’s a subconscious thing. Defending the collective punishment of Jews who were expelled from Spain for something a company did is a pretty wild leap. My comment was my attempt at pointing out the collective punishment of Jews, which was my issue with the OP. I don’t buy your argument that you’re somehow defending proper debate etiquette. The grandparent comment was very openly racist.
      - denton-scratch 3y ago
        > I think you were. Yes, that's clear; your original comment shows plainly that you interpreted my remark as antisemitic. It wasn't; it was pointing out a fallacy (and that formulation is nearly always used to point out that particular fallacy). You can think what you like, of course; but screeching "antisemite!" based on nothing but your powers of telepathy is rather counterproductive.