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ISPs are offering 'Netflix-included' or discounted Disney+ plans. I don't know how they account for downloads from these services but the bundling is definitely

ISPs are offering 'Netflix-included' or discounted Disney+ plans. I don't know how they account for downloads from these services but the bundling is definitely happening.

falcojr 3y ago
Data caps (and services being excluded from them) are different though, aren't they? IIRC these were already happening before net neutrality rules were removed.
- Goronmon 3y ago
  Data caps existed, but exempting services from specific ones it the problem. Especially when it becomes "pay us to get your service excluded from the caps".
- sarchertech 3y ago
  It’s about different data caps for different services. It’s favoring one service over another. Especially when many of those services are owned by the same company that owns the ISP, it’s completely anti-competitive. When your new high bandwidth service counts against a customer’s data cap, but your Comcast owned competitor’s data doesn’t, how are you supposed to fairly compete?
supriyo-biswas 3y ago
When a zero-rating agreement is successfully negotiated between ISPs and website operators, they share a list of IP ranges with the ISP, and any traffic towards these IPs are excluded from the consumer’s data cap.
- parineum 3y ago
  ISPs have already gotten around anti-data cap laws by locating content servers within their network and only charging caps for data that travels outside their network.
lr4444lr 3y ago
That comes with exclusive content, though - not the same thing at all as what the NN acolytes were warning us would happen if common carrier status was lost. The goal-post shifting is not admirable. We were told there would be the end of the free web, and we're almost 6 years out. Time to admit that the evidence suggests this was fear mongering, and not grasp at straws.
SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
They are grouping the service payments. Unless you can show examples of these servcices avoiding datacaps? And even then, in this case it's very likely that allow-lists were OK under NN, just not block-lists.

ISPs are offering 'Netflix-included' or discounted Disney+ plans. I don't know how they account for downloads from these services but the bundling is definitely happening.

falcojr 3y ago

Data caps (and services being excluded from them) are different though, aren't they? IIRC these were already happening before net neutrality rules were removed.

Goronmon 3y ago
Data caps existed, but exempting services from specific ones it the problem. Especially when it becomes "pay us to get your service excluded from the caps".
sarchertech 3y ago
It’s about different data caps for different services. It’s favoring one service over another. Especially when many of those services are owned by the same company that owns the ISP, it’s completely anti-competitive. When your new high bandwidth service counts against a customer’s data cap, but your Comcast owned competitor’s data doesn’t, how are you supposed to fairly compete?

supriyo-biswas 3y ago

When a zero-rating agreement is successfully negotiated between ISPs and website operators, they share a list of IP ranges with the ISP, and any traffic towards these IPs are excluded from the consumer’s data cap.

parineum 3y ago
ISPs have already gotten around anti-data cap laws by locating content servers within their network and only charging caps for data that travels outside their network.

lr4444lr 3y ago

That comes with exclusive content, though - not the same thing at all as what the NN acolytes were warning us would happen if common carrier status was lost. The goal-post shifting is not admirable. We were told there would be the end of the free web, and we're almost 6 years out. Time to admit that the evidence suggests this was fear mongering, and not grasp at straws.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

They are grouping the service payments. Unless you can show examples of these servcices avoiding datacaps? And even then, in this case it's very likely that allow-lists were OK under NN, just not block-lists.